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hello guys what is up happy saturday to

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all of you thank you so much for being

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here for the guys here live with me now

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in the chat good to see you all uh thank

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you so much yeah i see a lot of familiar

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faces and and non-familiar faces so

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thank you guys so much i'm really

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excited for this

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for this particular one oh hold on a sec

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my green screen look at that how amateur

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of me

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there we go do you like my skin walker

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background as well i think that's

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awesome so guys let's not waste any more

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time i've been looking forward to this

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interview for some time now um and i'm

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really excited to get into it so let me

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please uh

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introduce

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mr caleb bench

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caleb

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hey vinnie how you doing i'm doing very

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well my man how are you doing great

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thank you so much for joining me man oh

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you're welcome i've been looking forward

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to it thank you so much man so i think

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the first thing that i like to do in

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these interviews is just to get an idea

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of the person i'm talking to so you know

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i'm aware that you've had quite a

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interesting history and so if you'd like

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to sort of take us back to

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well wherever you want to go back to and

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just tell us a bit about yourself

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okay uh so

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i'm from i'm originally from southeast

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idaho a little town called blackfoot

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idaho um and something that's kind of

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interesting with that is i grew up next

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to uh

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the shoshone banik indian reservation in

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that area

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and so i grew up with a lot of the same

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stories that when i moved to the uinta

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base and i was hearing i started hearing

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a lot of this similar stuff

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um so i grew up there kind of

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regular i guess what you call american

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upbringing you know

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my family's all the potato farmers from

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idaho and

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um and then i played football in a bunch

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of different sports there in high school

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and always had an interest in history

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and mythology and things like that and

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as you guys know i i was i went into the

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marines uh and so i was doing the marine

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corps as a reservist as and when they

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as an m1a1 tank crewman wow while i was

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going to college at utah state

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university

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and i was i was doing rugby and football

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when i was at utah state and just

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studying history and

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different languages there latin and

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german and things like that

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um after college i kind of went back up

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to idaho for a little bit and that's

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and that's kind of how i got introduced

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to the basin as i started dating my wife

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uh stephanie

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and that's the kind of my tie into the

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ranch

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kind of way back when is because i i'm

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thomas winterton's brother-in-law

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wow so

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i moved it down to the basin and i

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started uh just doing different jobs

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down here and i was still uh

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involved with the marines at that point

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and then got out got my honorable

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discharge there

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and i just kind of jumped around to some

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different jobs because i was kind of

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like what am i doing with my life you

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know yeah

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and tom calls me one day and asked me if

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i've ever heard of this place called

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skinwalker ranch and i'm like not really

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and he asked me if i wanted to come help

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a security and this was 2017 on

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halloween

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so that's the first day i was ever on

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skinwalker ranch was

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nothing really happened that night uh

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and so i got involved there and

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brandon had a conversation with me a

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couple months later and asked if i'd

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want to be helping with security on more

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of a full-time basis and i was like heck

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wow um

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and so we had some

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uh my first real

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i guess crazy thing you could think of

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on the ranch was we had a a group out

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doing a documentary

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and they all went to dinner and i'm

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sitting there kind of watching the

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cameras and

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i noticed something happening with the

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mesa uh it was like this fog was formed

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like within minutes on on top of the

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and just and it it was like it's like

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this weird mist just went off the face

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of the mesa and then and within like two

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minutes it like shot back up on top of

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the mesa and i was like

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did i just see that it was weird i just

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did like the the time note and was like

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okay that was off you know and yeah when

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everybody came back i went and grabbed

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tom was like hey

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come look at this and yeah sure enough

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it was something pretty pretty

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so i'd heard some of the different

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stories and things like that

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it's not like i didn't believe it i i've

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always kind of been more

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open i guess to stuff like that like you

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i i grew up

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in the area my whole family was in the

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lds church or the church of jesus christ

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of latter-day saints right um

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i wasn't very active me and my brothers

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we were kind of the black sheep you know

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but i was always interested in you know

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i guess you could say more spiritual

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um about around the time i was dating my

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wife about eight years ago is when my

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dad passed away he was 45

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passed away from cancer and it kind of

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started me on this new journey of you

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know what am i doing with myself

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you know who what kind of person do i

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want to be and it just kind of led me

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down this different road and

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yeah i got into some different

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uh you know some of the self-improvement

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uh mindset stuff and

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uh like if you've read travis uh

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taylor's uh secrets behind uh science

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behind the secret

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that that kind of

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i've not read it but you know what i'm

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i'm gonna i'm gonna i love this is the

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kind of thing because when i hear things

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like that it makes me then want to go

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and read it to see that it's done

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something good for other people

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it's been something that i i've i i kind

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of attribute to maybe why i'm on the

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ranch you know i just started working on

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myself more than

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you know how because i i guess i kind of

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believe how can i help other people if i

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can't help myself

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of course and be the best me for them

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you know kind of kind of mentality yeah

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but yeah so back i guess back to the

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ranch you know like i start seeing and

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having experiences like that same

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weekend

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um everybody kind of went home and it

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was like it was i think four or five

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o'clock in the morning it was late night

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bryant and i

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go

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finally hit the rack and he's in one

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room i'm in the other room

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he comes in uh you know within a couple

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minutes like hey man something just

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kicked my bed and i'm like

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what

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and he's like yeah it's like something

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just came up and kicked my bed and i was

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like uh i can feel like you know the

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command center at this point didn't have

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some of the improvements that tom's done

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right pretty old rickety

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pretty much

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a bunch of lipstick on the ugliest pig

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you've ever seen

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and i'm sitting there going i i can feel

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like the

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washer and dryer going

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and he's like no this was like something

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came up and kicked the bed and i was

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like okay that's weird

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whoa and we're both kind of like okay

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like whatever maybe we're just tired or

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whatever he goes back in his room and

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i'm laying there

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and within a couple minutes i'm sitting

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there trying to go to sleep and same

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thing happens something like kicked my

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it felt like something kicked my bed wow

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and i was like what the crap and so i go

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running and i'm like dude it just

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happened to me you know and we were both

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kind of going okay

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no way you know this is still pretty

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early on since i've been on the ranch

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that's something we talk about all the

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time is why do you why does one person

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have an experience why another person

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doesn't you know like we always joke

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that bryant's like the

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the repellent

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some when something happens he either

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just barely left

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or he's not there i i don't know but

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it's just kind of one of the things we

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joke about um

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but that was kind of the first weekend

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and that was within a couple months

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being on the ranch that i really had

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kind of that stuff happening

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and it's just increased from there

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um a couple months after that i want to

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say it was june or july

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i was out with another group

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three right

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uh if i remember right we didn't have a

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full moon or anything like that it was

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kind of a clear sky though

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and

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we're sitting there kind of talking

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about what's going you know stuff on the

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ranch and they're asking about security

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a little bit more and this is and we've

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got a lot more assets

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now than we did then

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right um

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and and we're you know we were dealing

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with trespassing then and some pretty

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shady figures

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wow at that point

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we're sitting here by the bait pan

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talking and this

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and the whole area just lights up green

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like uh like you shot someone like

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someone shot an illumination flare like

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i think uh

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point where all the guys are down

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and they're in the grass and the nba

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guys are coming in and they shoot one of

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those flares off and it just lights up

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the whole area yeah it was like that but

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it was like this bright

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alien green like of all the colors you

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know

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yeah yeah again and

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we spun around and there was this light

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descending out of the sky above

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homestead 2

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and it went and went from what i could

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tell it went behind the trees between

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where we were and the mesa and homestead

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2

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and that's where i lost sight of the

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whatever this light source was but it

295
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was kind of interesting because it

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wasn't like it was coming from that

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direction it was like the whole area

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just lit up it was it was weird

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um

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did it have a source do they have a

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source like light or was it just spread

302
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a bit like i could definitely tell that

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there was like

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at least like an orb of some kind or

305
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some kind of a source right but the way

306
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the light in the whole area was lit up

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it was very strange it wasn't like it

308
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was coming from that area but we

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you know it's kind of hard to

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describe still but i i don't know where

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it came from

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i and one when it went behind the trees

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it was kind of hard i i don't know what

314
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happened it did just everything just

315
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went dark again like just normal night

316
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again and i was like that was probably

317
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my first real big

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holy crap moment on the ranch

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and i immediately let brandon and eric

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know what happened and

321
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described it as best as i could you know

322
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and tried to use the

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uh the sheriff's training and things

324
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that i've i've had at that point too

325
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or the military i hadn't gone into law

326
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enforcement at that point yet that

327
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actually came a couple months later

328
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because

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another thing happened where we were

330
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actually dealing with some

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satan worshipers essentially and

332
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you know they they came on they

333
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trespassed onto the ranch i missed them

334
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by like an hour they destroyed a bunch

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of property

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um

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yeah we were out all night because we

338
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had some other word about something else

339
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was going on

340
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right and

341
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tom and i we were out there all night

342
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and we finally got home because we're

343
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like okay they're not coming out and

344
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then like we checked the cameras because

345
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i came back later that night

346
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saw

347
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some of this damage like what the crap

348
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we started looking into it we missed

349
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these

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devil worshipers by like you know 40

351
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minutes to an hour not very long

352
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and that just kind of made me go you

353
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know what

354
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would have happened if we'd have

355
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actually met

356
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these guys on the ranch you know like

357
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yeah i trained i went through the

358
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military i did all that stuff but it's

359
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still there's there's these skills that

360
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are perishables and you need a

361
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and i like training i like getting as

362
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much training as i can get

363
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you know just keep those skills up yeah

364
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and so that made me go you know what

365
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i know i've gone through and done some

366
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private security stuff at that point uh

367
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for the state of utah i was like you

368
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know what i'm just going to do the law

369
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enforcement thing because

370
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i want to know how the laws work i want

371
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to know how the system works better

372
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and so i that's the point when i kind of

373
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took a little bit more of a step away

374
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from the ranch and went into law

375
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enforcement to start getting the

376
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training and

377
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get

378
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things and then and when i was done with

379
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that i came back and i've been pretty

380
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active on the ranch so that makes sense

381
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that makes a lot of sense man just to

382
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kind of cover your butt really as well

383
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you know oh yeah and and that's the

384
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thing is that we're covering we're

385
00:13:32,069 --> 00:13:29,680
dealing with so much liability and

386
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everything on that end and

387
00:13:37,030 --> 00:13:34,800
trying to just protect you know the team

388
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and and the ranch itself and

389
00:13:41,110 --> 00:13:39,040
you got to know how

390
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the law really works especially on the

391
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criminal side of things in case we are

392
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dealing with because we are we do have

393
00:13:48,870 --> 00:13:46,800
pretty uh scary individuals come out at

394
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different times and people using drugs

395
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and different things like that and

396
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i've been in those situations as a law

397
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enforcement officer now where you know

398
00:13:58,470 --> 00:13:56,720
i've been attacked by people on like

399
00:13:59,829 --> 00:13:58,480
some pretty serious drugs and we've seen

400
00:14:01,670 --> 00:13:59,839
what they do and

401
00:14:04,310 --> 00:14:01,680
you know we've responded i've responded

402
00:14:06,389 --> 00:14:04,320
to multiple murders and wow different

403
00:14:07,990 --> 00:14:06,399
things like that so it's

404
00:14:09,910 --> 00:14:08,000
and a lot of that's translating the

405
00:14:11,829 --> 00:14:09,920
things with the ranch on how to deal

406
00:14:13,670 --> 00:14:11,839
with situations and

407
00:14:15,750 --> 00:14:13,680
you know so my joke with the guys is

408
00:14:17,189 --> 00:14:15,760
like if you do see me running and

409
00:14:18,790 --> 00:14:17,199
pretty serious like you know something's

410
00:14:20,470 --> 00:14:18,800
really going down

411
00:14:22,310 --> 00:14:20,480
hey that's a good like

412
00:14:24,230 --> 00:14:22,320
ballpark thing to sort of say well if

413
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he's running we gotta run kind of thing

414
00:14:28,790 --> 00:14:27,920
so no i feel you on that one man um

415
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so

416
00:14:34,550 --> 00:14:31,680
early experiences you had and it seemed

417
00:14:36,310 --> 00:14:34,560
that they happened quite quickly yeah

418
00:14:38,470 --> 00:14:36,320
when you first did start on the ranch we

419
00:14:40,230 --> 00:14:38,480
aware of the history or how much of the

420
00:14:42,949 --> 00:14:40,240
history were you aware of when it comes

421
00:14:45,430 --> 00:14:42,959
to you know the bigelow days and

422
00:14:47,430 --> 00:14:45,440
the sherman days and things like that

423
00:14:50,230 --> 00:14:47,440
uh i really wasn't aware of too much

424
00:14:52,470 --> 00:14:50,240
that history at that point i i read

425
00:14:54,310 --> 00:14:52,480
probably half of the skinwalker book

426
00:14:56,550 --> 00:14:54,320
from

427
00:14:58,790 --> 00:14:56,560
george snap yeah and i had one yeah yeah

428
00:15:01,350 --> 00:14:58,800
so i read about half of that

429
00:15:03,030 --> 00:15:01,360
um and i was like

430
00:15:04,629 --> 00:15:03,040
it was pretty interesting hearing some

431
00:15:06,150 --> 00:15:04,639
of those stories you know and some of

432
00:15:09,110 --> 00:15:06,160
those claims and

433
00:15:10,550 --> 00:15:09,120
um we have had some individuals

434
00:15:13,030 --> 00:15:10,560
um

435
00:15:15,189 --> 00:15:13,040
from second season

436
00:15:16,389 --> 00:15:15,199
gosh i can't remember his name now

437
00:15:18,310 --> 00:15:16,399
um

438
00:15:19,990 --> 00:15:18,320
he was the nephew to i believe the

439
00:15:21,430 --> 00:15:20,000
sherman's and he was living on the ranch

440
00:15:23,350 --> 00:15:21,440
at that time and he was able to give us

441
00:15:25,350 --> 00:15:23,360
a lot more information in regards to

442
00:15:28,150 --> 00:15:25,360
some of those stories yeah

443
00:15:29,350 --> 00:15:28,160
and we we pretty much found out some a

444
00:15:32,310 --> 00:15:29,360
lot of

445
00:15:34,150 --> 00:15:32,320
book

446
00:15:36,710 --> 00:15:34,160
weren't exactly

447
00:15:38,870 --> 00:15:36,720
as told by the sherman's or

448
00:15:41,030 --> 00:15:38,880
what actually happened so

449
00:15:42,230 --> 00:15:41,040
there was a little bit more story making

450
00:15:44,389 --> 00:15:42,240
with some of them

451
00:15:48,629 --> 00:15:44,399
right good to know

452
00:15:53,430 --> 00:15:50,949
uh the episode where they aired it like

453
00:15:54,550 --> 00:15:53,440
the the two dogs i remember the two dogs

454
00:15:57,670 --> 00:15:54,560
it was claimed that they were turned

455
00:15:59,269 --> 00:15:57,680
into jelly but the nephew he said that

456
00:16:00,389 --> 00:15:59,279
they'd been crushed

457
00:16:03,350 --> 00:16:00,399
like you could tell that they'd been

458
00:16:05,509 --> 00:16:03,360
compressed into the earth and yes

459
00:16:07,509 --> 00:16:05,519
so there were just things like that that

460
00:16:08,629 --> 00:16:07,519
may be lost in translation i i don't

461
00:16:10,150 --> 00:16:08,639
know

462
00:16:12,310 --> 00:16:10,160
um

463
00:16:15,110 --> 00:16:12,320
and and that is aligned with some of the

464
00:16:16,470 --> 00:16:15,120
stuff that we've seen on the ranch um

465
00:16:18,150 --> 00:16:16,480
and you know we talked about the

466
00:16:19,829 --> 00:16:18,160
hitchhiker effect i've had multiple

467
00:16:22,470 --> 00:16:19,839
things happen at my house

468
00:16:24,310 --> 00:16:22,480
i i know tom's had had things happen at

469
00:16:25,590 --> 00:16:24,320
his home we've we've had things happen

470
00:16:27,590 --> 00:16:25,600
off the ranch

471
00:16:28,629 --> 00:16:27,600
yeah um

472
00:16:29,749 --> 00:16:28,639
and i think

473
00:16:31,110 --> 00:16:29,759
sorry i was just going to say one of the

474
00:16:32,230 --> 00:16:31,120
big stories and i've just seen it here

475
00:16:33,590 --> 00:16:32,240
in the comments a couple of people have

476
00:16:34,829 --> 00:16:33,600
mentioned was

477
00:16:37,590 --> 00:16:34,839
previous to

478
00:16:39,990 --> 00:16:37,600
brandon's uh ownership and stuff was the

479
00:16:42,470 --> 00:16:40,000
the direwolf the big wolf stories has

480
00:16:44,949 --> 00:16:42,480
has that ever come back into play in the

481
00:16:48,470 --> 00:16:44,959
last few years or anything we we've

482
00:16:49,509 --> 00:16:48,480
never had anything like that happen um

483
00:16:51,910 --> 00:16:49,519
and

484
00:16:54,949 --> 00:16:51,920
i can't speak for what where that came

485
00:16:56,310 --> 00:16:54,959
from or anything like that

486
00:16:58,629 --> 00:16:56,320
um the

487
00:16:59,990 --> 00:16:58,639
the nephew he said that they did have

488
00:17:03,350 --> 00:17:00,000
something attacked the cattle but they

489
00:17:05,750 --> 00:17:03,360
did shoot and kill it so i i don't know

490
00:17:06,949 --> 00:17:05,760
that was coming kind of second hand from

491
00:17:08,549 --> 00:17:06,959
some of the other guys who spent a

492
00:17:10,390 --> 00:17:08,559
little bit more time with him than i did

493
00:17:11,990 --> 00:17:10,400
when he was out here it's fair enough i

494
00:17:13,669 --> 00:17:12,000
had to ask her so a lot of people were

495
00:17:15,270 --> 00:17:13,679
sort of mentioning that i thought i

496
00:17:17,990 --> 00:17:15,280
can't not mention it because it was a

497
00:17:19,990 --> 00:17:18,000
big story from from further backs and i

498
00:17:22,630 --> 00:17:20,000
appreciate you just putting that to rest

499
00:17:24,549 --> 00:17:22,640
them and and i think that might i think

500
00:17:26,390 --> 00:17:24,559
the only one that we could probably say

501
00:17:29,270 --> 00:17:26,400
is anywhere similar to that is the

502
00:17:30,150 --> 00:17:29,280
incident with the alpacas

503
00:17:31,750 --> 00:17:30,160
and

504
00:17:33,909 --> 00:17:31,760
we know what that was they were a bunch

505
00:17:35,750 --> 00:17:33,919
of res dogs i wouldn't be surprised if

506
00:17:36,950 --> 00:17:35,760
they were the same thing that attacked

507
00:17:39,590 --> 00:17:36,960
the cows

508
00:17:41,270 --> 00:17:39,600
back in the sherman days right on on

509
00:17:43,590 --> 00:17:41,280
your reservations you have basically

510
00:17:45,510 --> 00:17:43,600
wild dogs running around and they when

511
00:17:48,150 --> 00:17:45,520
they pack up like that they get pretty

512
00:17:51,190 --> 00:17:48,160
pretty nasty it's not just there

513
00:17:53,110 --> 00:17:51,200
we deal with them in the county um as

514
00:17:55,270 --> 00:17:53,120
law enforcement we deal with wild dogs

515
00:17:56,630 --> 00:17:55,280
like a couple years ago

516
00:17:58,150 --> 00:17:56,640
there was a pack that actually went

517
00:18:00,630 --> 00:17:58,160
around and did kill quite a few

518
00:18:02,310 --> 00:18:00,640
livestock before they all and

519
00:18:03,909 --> 00:18:02,320
that we basically just had to go hunt

520
00:18:05,510 --> 00:18:03,919
them down and shoot them all

521
00:18:07,270 --> 00:18:05,520
wow um so

522
00:18:10,310 --> 00:18:07,280
i could see how something like that

523
00:18:13,190 --> 00:18:10,320
might lead into this big direwolf story

524
00:18:15,990 --> 00:18:13,200
yeah um but it is something that we deal

525
00:18:17,990 --> 00:18:16,000
with and and we did have some incidents

526
00:18:21,190 --> 00:18:18,000
where and that's one of the reasons why

527
00:18:23,190 --> 00:18:21,200
why why we're armed is we do have uh

528
00:18:25,669 --> 00:18:23,200
cougars i've we've found bear sign on

529
00:18:27,669 --> 00:18:25,679
the ranch we've dealt with

530
00:18:28,950 --> 00:18:27,679
we do have wild animals out there and in

531
00:18:29,909 --> 00:18:28,960
the area

532
00:18:31,909 --> 00:18:29,919
that

533
00:18:33,669 --> 00:18:31,919
you know if you're not able to defend

534
00:18:36,710 --> 00:18:33,679
yourself they can do some major damage

535
00:18:37,510 --> 00:18:36,720
sure yeah absolutely so

536
00:18:39,909 --> 00:18:37,520
but

537
00:18:42,070 --> 00:18:39,919
i mean that makes sense and the the

538
00:18:43,750 --> 00:18:42,080
cattle and stuff like that get attacked

539
00:18:45,029 --> 00:18:43,760
but that does not and i hope it doesn't

540
00:18:47,830 --> 00:18:45,039
take away from the fact there's been

541
00:18:51,270 --> 00:18:47,840
some bizarre cattle mutilations yes

542
00:18:52,630 --> 00:18:51,280
which are not pack dogs or bears or

543
00:18:54,789 --> 00:18:52,640
cougar and stuff

544
00:18:56,710 --> 00:18:54,799
yeah and and again

545
00:18:58,310 --> 00:18:56,720
law enforcement i know it's hard for

546
00:18:59,990 --> 00:18:58,320
some guys to talk about it but we do

547
00:19:01,270 --> 00:19:00,000
take weird calls

548
00:19:02,950 --> 00:19:01,280
um

549
00:19:05,029 --> 00:19:02,960
and

550
00:19:06,630 --> 00:19:05,039
i i can't say that i've taken one of

551
00:19:08,470 --> 00:19:06,640
those calls as law enforcement what i

552
00:19:12,310 --> 00:19:08,480
can speak to is

553
00:19:16,710 --> 00:19:14,150
nothing touched that thing for a year

554
00:19:19,110 --> 00:19:16,720
and we had multiple tests done on that

555
00:19:21,510 --> 00:19:19,120
thing and nothing's coming back that's

556
00:19:25,110 --> 00:19:21,520
anything out of the ordinary so

557
00:19:26,630 --> 00:19:25,120
what again you know there's things that

558
00:19:27,510 --> 00:19:26,640
parts of the conversation that weren't

559
00:19:28,950 --> 00:19:27,520
shown

560
00:19:30,470 --> 00:19:28,960
because like people need to realize you

561
00:19:33,029 --> 00:19:30,480
guys are literally seeing less than one

562
00:19:34,950 --> 00:19:33,039
percent in the episodes as to what's

563
00:19:37,350 --> 00:19:34,960
been filmed yeah

564
00:19:38,870 --> 00:19:37,360
and so with like the cow

565
00:19:42,789 --> 00:19:38,880
um one of the things that i found

566
00:19:45,029 --> 00:19:42,799
interesting was when we had dr taylor or

567
00:19:46,630 --> 00:19:45,039
from the state of utah come out and we

568
00:19:49,830 --> 00:19:46,640
were asking him and talking to him about

569
00:19:51,990 --> 00:19:49,840
it he mentioned how

570
00:19:53,669 --> 00:19:52,000
what we were describing to them as cows

571
00:19:54,870 --> 00:19:53,679
if anybody's been around livestock they

572
00:19:56,950 --> 00:19:54,880
know that usually when they're laying

573
00:19:59,270 --> 00:19:56,960
down they stand up from the back

574
00:20:00,710 --> 00:19:59,280
first so they get their back end up and

575
00:20:01,909 --> 00:20:00,720
then they get their front end underneath

576
00:20:03,990 --> 00:20:01,919
them yeah

577
00:20:06,310 --> 00:20:04,000
when with our video footage that we got

578
00:20:08,549 --> 00:20:06,320
of the cow dying in the first season is

579
00:20:10,549 --> 00:20:08,559
trying to stand up from the front

580
00:20:12,789 --> 00:20:10,559
its back ends not working

581
00:20:15,350 --> 00:20:12,799
and the only two things that will

582
00:20:17,669 --> 00:20:15,360
kind of do that is if the cow has had

583
00:20:20,310 --> 00:20:17,679
some kind of nerve damage or some kind

584
00:20:21,669 --> 00:20:20,320
of electrical issue like hit by some

585
00:20:23,750 --> 00:20:21,679
kind of electricity or something and

586
00:20:25,190 --> 00:20:23,760
it's damaged the nerves in the back

587
00:20:27,669 --> 00:20:25,200
wow um so

588
00:20:29,750 --> 00:20:27,679
this cow was a yearling

589
00:20:32,789 --> 00:20:29,760
it had never given birth or anything

590
00:20:35,669 --> 00:20:32,799
like that so that's out so yeah why is

591
00:20:37,830 --> 00:20:35,679
its back end not working

592
00:20:39,430 --> 00:20:37,840
and so there's things like that that

593
00:20:40,149 --> 00:20:39,440
just make us go what the heck and then

594
00:20:47,590 --> 00:20:40,159
we

595
00:20:50,950 --> 00:20:47,600
anomalies going on or magnetic anomalies

596
00:20:52,310 --> 00:20:50,960
you know and it died from rapid onset uh

597
00:20:55,590 --> 00:20:52,320
pneumonia

598
00:20:58,070 --> 00:20:55,600
yeah like instant almost yeah which

599
00:21:00,630 --> 00:20:58,080
which that's quite common yes but what

600
00:21:03,270 --> 00:21:00,640
but that is caused because there's a

601
00:21:05,350 --> 00:21:03,280
stressor there that we don't know

602
00:21:06,870 --> 00:21:05,360
and so what stressed the cow out so much

603
00:21:09,110 --> 00:21:06,880
that

604
00:21:10,630 --> 00:21:09,120
it caused it to

605
00:21:12,710 --> 00:21:10,640
get that pneumonia and then this back

606
00:21:14,630 --> 00:21:12,720
end is not working

607
00:21:15,750 --> 00:21:14,640
yeah that's so bizarre

608
00:21:18,149 --> 00:21:15,760
and that's one of the things that we're

609
00:21:19,029 --> 00:21:18,159
like okay you know and then again

610
00:21:20,070 --> 00:21:19,039
um

611
00:21:21,669 --> 00:21:20,080
i don't know

612
00:21:23,430 --> 00:21:21,679
if many people know this but there's

613
00:21:26,549 --> 00:21:23,440
there's incidents where lightning

614
00:21:30,149 --> 00:21:26,559
strikes and kills like 20 or 30 cows

615
00:21:32,390 --> 00:21:30,159
a lot of times with lightning strikes

616
00:21:34,789 --> 00:21:32,400
animal predators and stuff won't touch

617
00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:34,799
those animals

618
00:21:39,350 --> 00:21:37,440
just for whatever reason i don't know so

619
00:21:41,350 --> 00:21:39,360
yeah you know coming back it sat there

620
00:21:43,110 --> 00:21:41,360
for a year i i went up there every week

621
00:21:45,190 --> 00:21:43,120
on my on my rounds

622
00:21:47,110 --> 00:21:45,200
as much as i could

623
00:21:49,029 --> 00:21:47,120
nothing touched that thing

624
00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:49,039
you know and

625
00:21:53,510 --> 00:21:51,840
uh i don't know if people saw it but tom

626
00:21:54,950 --> 00:21:53,520
you know everyone said we flip switch

627
00:21:55,990 --> 00:21:54,960
the cow out

628
00:21:56,710 --> 00:21:56,000
oh

629
00:21:58,710 --> 00:21:56,720
yeah

630
00:22:00,870 --> 00:21:58,720
but there's an oxidation process that

631
00:22:02,630 --> 00:22:00,880
occurs with uh hair and stuff like the

632
00:22:04,870 --> 00:22:02,640
ancient mummies in

633
00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:04,880
egypt they have that we know they had

634
00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:06,960
black hair but the mummies they have red

635
00:22:09,990 --> 00:22:07,919
hair

636
00:22:11,669 --> 00:22:10,000
it's because of the oxidation processes

637
00:22:13,270 --> 00:22:11,679
stuff like that and you know it was it

638
00:22:14,710 --> 00:22:13,280
was kind of funny so tom went out there

639
00:22:17,830 --> 00:22:14,720
and flipped the cow over and was like

640
00:22:19,750 --> 00:22:17,840
here's the black fur you know so yeah

641
00:22:21,029 --> 00:22:19,760
that's funny that's fair enough just

642
00:22:23,029 --> 00:22:21,039
gonna give a quick shout out to blue

643
00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:23,039
eyes thank you for the five dollars and

644
00:22:26,630 --> 00:22:25,280
let's see what this question is um it

645
00:22:28,549 --> 00:22:26,640
always seems they should be doing it

646
00:22:31,029 --> 00:22:28,559
again or a little more to get to the end

647
00:22:33,909 --> 00:22:31,039
of the results why dig 20 feet when they

648
00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:33,919
need to dig 30 feet

649
00:22:39,669 --> 00:22:35,520
so

650
00:22:42,390 --> 00:22:40,870
we're trying to find a needle in a

651
00:22:45,590 --> 00:22:42,400
haystack and we don't know where the

652
00:22:47,590 --> 00:22:45,600
haystack's at essentially

653
00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:47,600
so we're trying to

654
00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:49,679
find the best area

655
00:22:53,110 --> 00:22:50,880
because we're getting all these stories

656
00:22:55,350 --> 00:22:53,120
of where maybe something's happening

657
00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:55,360
and yeah we don't know where something

658
00:23:00,230 --> 00:22:57,760
is until you dig it up and find it right

659
00:23:01,110 --> 00:23:00,240
and so it's it's kind of hard we got 520

660
00:23:04,149 --> 00:23:01,120
acres

661
00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:04,159
yeah and sometimes the the limitation is

662
00:23:06,630 --> 00:23:05,440
the equipment

663
00:23:08,870 --> 00:23:06,640
um

664
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:08,880
and we we do have all sorts of issues

665
00:23:13,750 --> 00:23:11,520
going on with the digging equipment with

666
00:23:15,590 --> 00:23:13,760
the cameras and and the stuff going

667
00:23:17,510 --> 00:23:15,600
around they they've

668
00:23:19,669 --> 00:23:17,520
we've had a lot of stuff and that you're

669
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:19,679
not seeing and it's one of the things

670
00:23:22,870 --> 00:23:21,600
that's frustrating to us

671
00:23:26,230 --> 00:23:22,880
um

672
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:26,240
so we we try and dig as much as we can

673
00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:28,080
but the equipment that we had at the

674
00:23:33,110 --> 00:23:30,240
time of like season two

675
00:23:34,950 --> 00:23:33,120
it wasn't what we were hoping for but

676
00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:34,960
it's what we had you know and we went as

677
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:36,720
far as we could

678
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:38,640
that makes perfect sense man we've even

679
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:40,080
got a follow-up here thank you again

680
00:23:43,590 --> 00:23:42,000
blue eyes for the five dollars

681
00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:43,600
why does it seem like nothing is ever

682
00:23:47,990 --> 00:23:46,080
finished on the show when you guys do

683
00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:48,000
some tests it shows the results to a

684
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:49,200
point

685
00:23:52,390 --> 00:23:50,400
um

686
00:23:53,590 --> 00:23:52,400
it's it's like once you finally get like

687
00:23:55,510 --> 00:23:53,600
an answer

688
00:23:57,430 --> 00:23:55,520
we have other things that happen that

689
00:23:58,870 --> 00:23:57,440
make it seem like we got 10 more

690
00:24:01,029 --> 00:23:58,880
questions now

691
00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:01,039
and and it feels like we're not ever

692
00:24:04,950 --> 00:24:03,120
getting that definite answer

693
00:24:08,149 --> 00:24:04,960
and trust me it's one of the things

694
00:24:10,549 --> 00:24:08,159
that's frustrating to us yeah we we try

695
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:10,559
and get the answers but then we just get

696
00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:12,320
10 more questions

697
00:24:15,590 --> 00:24:14,400
and or something happens and we start

698
00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:15,600
going down this other rabbit hole

699
00:24:18,950 --> 00:24:17,039
because it's so significant that we're

700
00:24:19,750 --> 00:24:18,960
like what the crap

701
00:24:26,789 --> 00:24:19,760
yeah

702
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:26,799
we want to give people answers but

703
00:24:31,110 --> 00:24:28,799
sometimes it's like we're we have so

704
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:31,120
many things happen say like

705
00:24:35,269 --> 00:24:33,120
we'll put a pencil down

706
00:24:37,430 --> 00:24:35,279
and and you know you put it there

707
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:37,440
and you leave the command center for an

708
00:24:40,470 --> 00:24:39,120
hour come back and it's in a whole

709
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:40,480
nother room

710
00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:42,240
and you're like okay maybe you've

711
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:44,400
experienced that yourself yes we've

712
00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:46,400
experienced things like that just

713
00:24:49,830 --> 00:24:48,480
but but this is the thing is did i put

714
00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:49,840
it there or did

715
00:24:54,630 --> 00:24:52,400
did i put it somewhere else

716
00:24:56,950 --> 00:24:54,640
yeah there are these little twins little

717
00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:56,960
coincidences like that that but once you

718
00:25:01,750 --> 00:24:58,480
get a hundred of them you start going

719
00:25:03,190 --> 00:25:01,760
okay either i'm crazy or

720
00:25:05,990 --> 00:25:03,200
or you know

721
00:25:07,590 --> 00:25:06,000
and it just gives us more more questions

722
00:25:09,909 --> 00:25:07,600
and the amount of

723
00:25:13,110 --> 00:25:09,919
data and stuff that we've lost is

724
00:25:15,750 --> 00:25:13,120
frustrating wow we've had entire sim

725
00:25:17,430 --> 00:25:15,760
cards entire audio files entire videos

726
00:25:18,390 --> 00:25:17,440
just disappear

727
00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:18,400
wow

728
00:25:23,190 --> 00:25:21,039
and it's it's just

729
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:23,200
frustrating that must be

730
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:24,480
yeah difficult especially if it's

731
00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:26,159
consistently happening over and over

732
00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:27,440
again i mean

733
00:25:31,350 --> 00:25:29,039
and that harks back to some of the older

734
00:25:32,789 --> 00:25:31,360
stories again from the sherman days when

735
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:32,799
you know hair brushes were going missing

736
00:25:35,430 --> 00:25:33,919
while

737
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:35,440
the wife was in the shower and things

738
00:25:40,230 --> 00:25:38,159
like that so you know they had a 80

739
00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:40,240
pound or 100 pound

740
00:25:43,190 --> 00:25:41,279
uh

741
00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:43,200
jackhammer or something

742
00:25:46,950 --> 00:25:45,360
80 feet up in in a tree

743
00:25:48,789 --> 00:25:46,960
yeah that's right i think it was the

744
00:25:50,789 --> 00:25:48,799
post puncher

745
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:50,799
yeah or whatever they call them yeah

746
00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:52,640
that's crazy man yeah

747
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:54,320
one of our jokes is maybe one day we're

748
00:25:56,470 --> 00:25:55,440
going to be out there digging in the

749
00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:56,480
hole and we're going to come out the

750
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:58,559
next day and the the excavator is going

751
00:26:02,310 --> 00:26:00,000
to be in the top of a tree you know

752
00:26:04,950 --> 00:26:02,320
we're hoping for that you know

753
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:04,960
that'd be insane all right all right

754
00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:06,480
yeah but i'm just going to give a shout

755
00:26:09,990 --> 00:26:08,400
out to lara sandlin bennett thank you so

756
00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:10,000
much for the dollars

757
00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:12,240
great question this have you heard of

758
00:26:16,310 --> 00:26:14,960
and works with the blind frog ranch

759
00:26:18,789 --> 00:26:16,320
um

760
00:26:21,110 --> 00:26:18,799
i know of blind frog ranch i have not

761
00:26:22,789 --> 00:26:21,120
met any of that team

762
00:26:25,029 --> 00:26:22,799
um

763
00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:25,039
i one of the security guys that i work

764
00:26:29,269 --> 00:26:27,520
with has actually gone over and done

765
00:26:31,430 --> 00:26:29,279
some work um

766
00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:31,440
in a whole different field he he worked

767
00:26:34,710 --> 00:26:33,360
in oil field you know has some relations

768
00:26:35,750 --> 00:26:34,720
with some guys there they asked him for

769
00:26:37,510 --> 00:26:35,760
some help

770
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:37,520
he ended up going over there and doing

771
00:26:41,110 --> 00:26:39,440
some work and he asked me if i wanted to

772
00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:41,120
go out there the one day i i've kind of

773
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:43,120
gotten an open invitation to go over

774
00:26:46,710 --> 00:26:44,240
there

775
00:26:49,110 --> 00:26:46,720
i just haven't been able to do that and

776
00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:49,120
i've just been too busy i just can't get

777
00:26:53,909 --> 00:26:52,080
over there um that's fair enough so i i

778
00:26:55,830 --> 00:26:53,919
don't know much about blind frog ranch i

779
00:26:58,230 --> 00:26:55,840
haven't i can't speak for anything

780
00:27:01,269 --> 00:26:58,240
that's going on over there so

781
00:27:02,470 --> 00:27:01,279
yeah maybe it's fairly new to me um i i

782
00:27:04,950 --> 00:27:02,480
think there's a documentary out

783
00:27:06,230 --> 00:27:04,960
available to watch around it but it's i

784
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:06,240
think a lot of it from what i could

785
00:27:10,149 --> 00:27:08,400
gather was to do with like lost gold and

786
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:10,159
stuff like that not so much touching on

787
00:27:14,230 --> 00:27:12,240
the phenomena and stuff like that that's

788
00:27:15,909 --> 00:27:14,240
what i've heard too so i i don't know if

789
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:15,919
they're experiencing anything like we

790
00:27:17,669 --> 00:27:16,640
are

791
00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:17,679
um

792
00:27:21,350 --> 00:27:18,880
but yeah that's what i've heard is

793
00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:21,360
they're kind of more because we have a a

794
00:27:25,029 --> 00:27:23,440
lot of stories in this area this is the

795
00:27:26,549 --> 00:27:25,039
area where butch cassidy and the

796
00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:26,559
sundance kid ran around a lot we have a

797
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:28,080
lot of gold stories out here in this

798
00:27:31,269 --> 00:27:28,960
area

799
00:27:32,950 --> 00:27:31,279
we have a lot of spanish gold stories

800
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:32,960
there's a lot of really neat history out

801
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:36,000
here uh in regards to some lost gold

802
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:38,880
mines and things like that so

803
00:27:42,549 --> 00:27:40,799
that's interesting man so many stories

804
00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:42,559
in such yeah is that is that all in the

805
00:27:45,909 --> 00:27:44,559
winter basin as well that's all that you

806
00:27:48,389 --> 00:27:45,919
want to base and then and but that's

807
00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:48,399
kind of one of the neat things is that's

808
00:27:52,870 --> 00:27:50,000
kind of like the american west a lot of

809
00:27:54,630 --> 00:27:52,880
these things go back to that time

810
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:54,640
like a lot of people don't know about

811
00:27:59,669 --> 00:27:56,880
for instance the snake wars is what they

812
00:28:02,470 --> 00:27:59,679
were called and that was up in idaho and

813
00:28:04,630 --> 00:28:02,480
northern utah and nevada and they were

814
00:28:06,470 --> 00:28:04,640
actually over the longest period of time

815
00:28:08,230 --> 00:28:06,480
the most bloody conflicts in the

816
00:28:09,750 --> 00:28:08,240
american west but nobody's heard about

817
00:28:11,430 --> 00:28:09,760
i've heard about it

818
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:11,440
because of all it's all overshadowed by

819
00:28:15,750 --> 00:28:13,919
the civil war it's all overshadowed by

820
00:28:17,110 --> 00:28:15,760
the the comanche wars in texas and

821
00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:17,120
things like that so there's a lot of

822
00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:18,960
stories like this that people just never

823
00:28:22,870 --> 00:28:20,080
hear and

824
00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:22,880
you know i've i've actually been kind of

825
00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:24,240
going through

826
00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:26,640
because some guys said i should do this

827
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:27,760
i've just been going through and writing

828
00:28:30,789 --> 00:28:29,279
down a bunch of stories that i grew up

829
00:28:33,269 --> 00:28:30,799
hearing just in southeast idaho and

830
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:33,279
they're they're creepy they're weird

831
00:28:36,549 --> 00:28:35,279
uh and it's just

832
00:28:37,750 --> 00:28:36,559
you know their stories i don't know if

833
00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:37,760
they're true i can't

834
00:28:40,789 --> 00:28:39,440
you know but they're neat but yeah but

835
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:40,799
it's good that you write them down for

836
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:42,240
them you can like think about them or

837
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:43,600
look into them and stuff like that you

838
00:28:48,149 --> 00:28:45,760
don't just let them fly by and ignore

839
00:28:50,310 --> 00:28:48,159
them which unfortunately some people do

840
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:50,320
so that's really cool man i like that i

841
00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:51,840
like that style i'm very much that i

842
00:28:56,710 --> 00:28:53,279
always have a writing pad next to me at

843
00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:56,720
all times you know something um

844
00:29:00,549 --> 00:28:58,799
so let's jump into a little bit of

845
00:29:02,549 --> 00:29:00,559
season two um

846
00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:02,559
i'm a big fan of the show i know a lot

847
00:29:06,549 --> 00:29:05,279
of people question it and say why

848
00:29:07,990 --> 00:29:06,559
you know we've had some of the questions

849
00:29:09,909 --> 00:29:08,000
why don't we get it all or why do you

850
00:29:11,350 --> 00:29:09,919
seem to stop but what really stuck out

851
00:29:13,110 --> 00:29:11,360
for me at the very start was the

852
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:13,120
draining of

853
00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:15,679
um of the water near homestead 2. yes i

854
00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:16,640
mean

855
00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:18,799
in itself

856
00:29:22,389 --> 00:29:20,960
some people said like

857
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:22,399
why is that interesting but for me

858
00:29:26,230 --> 00:29:24,000
personally i found that

859
00:29:27,830 --> 00:29:26,240
so strange because of you know the

860
00:29:29,350 --> 00:29:27,840
systems and where it should have come

861
00:29:30,950 --> 00:29:29,360
out and things like can you talk about

862
00:29:33,029 --> 00:29:30,960
what it was like when that was happening

863
00:29:35,029 --> 00:29:33,039
and what you thought about it personally

864
00:29:37,590 --> 00:29:35,039
and the funny things that happened with

865
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:37,600
yourself at that point as well okay yeah

866
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:40,399
so that was a long day

867
00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:42,240
um where

868
00:29:46,950 --> 00:29:44,399
it it that water was there and it was

869
00:29:47,909 --> 00:29:46,960
and it did drain pretty quickly pretty

870
00:29:50,950 --> 00:29:47,919
quickly

871
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:50,960
um for how much water was in that hole

872
00:29:55,510 --> 00:29:53,279
i grew up again farming and things like

873
00:29:57,350 --> 00:29:55,520
that i i'm used to ditches i'm used to

874
00:29:58,950 --> 00:29:57,360
running water i you know and i've i

875
00:30:00,870 --> 00:29:58,960
helped with tom run it doing the

876
00:30:02,870 --> 00:30:00,880
irrigation and stuff on the ranch uh

877
00:30:04,630 --> 00:30:02,880
when he's not able to

878
00:30:05,830 --> 00:30:04,640
um

879
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:05,840
and

880
00:30:12,070 --> 00:30:10,080
the thing with that was casey smith

881
00:30:14,070 --> 00:30:12,080
one of the hydrologists that we had come

882
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:14,080
out with from uh

883
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:15,600
oh gosh i can't remember the companies

884
00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:17,520
from up there in idaho but he was

885
00:30:20,789 --> 00:30:19,200
talking about how you know just because

886
00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:20,799
the ground on top looks like it's

887
00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:23,600
slanting say south doesn't mean that

888
00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:25,520
underground there isn't a tunnel taking

889
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:27,200
all that water going north

890
00:30:30,389 --> 00:30:28,320
yeah so

891
00:30:32,230 --> 00:30:30,399
we really don't know where that water's

892
00:30:33,510 --> 00:30:32,240
going and

893
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:33,520
and that was the thing is that we were

894
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:35,440
hoping to find it and we we went all

895
00:30:39,990 --> 00:30:37,760
over the dang place looking for that and

896
00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:40,000
yeah i don't know where it popped out

897
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:42,640
you know our joke is maybe some farmer

898
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:44,880
in you know 50 miles away is going to

899
00:30:48,630 --> 00:30:46,720
wake up one day and his whole phil's

900
00:30:53,669 --> 00:30:48,640
going to be neon

901
00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:55,269
you know so

902
00:30:59,350 --> 00:30:57,039
it's kind of hard saying where what's

903
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:59,360
going on underground yeah we've

904
00:31:02,230 --> 00:31:00,480
we kind of

905
00:31:03,830 --> 00:31:02,240
have figured that there's probably a lot

906
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:03,840
of water systems and we've poked holes

907
00:31:08,149 --> 00:31:06,480
all over the ranch because of season two

908
00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:08,159
yeah and we were hitting water at

909
00:31:10,870 --> 00:31:09,360
different levels that were pretty

910
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:10,880
surprising like

911
00:31:17,590 --> 00:31:15,120
uh 10 or 20 feet below water or

912
00:31:19,509 --> 00:31:17,600
below ground we're hitting water

913
00:31:21,669 --> 00:31:19,519
and i don't know and we don't know if

914
00:31:24,549 --> 00:31:21,679
there's bigger tunnel systems

915
00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:24,559
we we don't know yeah um and that whole

916
00:31:27,830 --> 00:31:26,080
time when we're actually kind of digging

917
00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:27,840
that hole out and kind of looking for

918
00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:29,840
that water obviously that's when a lot

919
00:31:33,269 --> 00:31:31,360
of people see my phone start doing what

920
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:33,279
it's doing well that's that's kind of

921
00:31:35,830 --> 00:31:34,960
what i was alluding to because i i know

922
00:31:39,029 --> 00:31:35,840
that

923
00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:39,039
happened many times didn't it i mean and

924
00:31:43,029 --> 00:31:41,200
yeah can you go into detail about that

925
00:31:44,310 --> 00:31:43,039
and why it was weird

926
00:31:46,950 --> 00:31:44,320
okay so

927
00:31:48,870 --> 00:31:46,960
i've had iphones for 10 years

928
00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:48,880
i've used them

929
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:51,279
exclusively essentially because i'm kind

930
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:52,559
of lazy and i don't want to learn

931
00:31:55,669 --> 00:31:54,240
another system you know i don't it's not

932
00:31:57,509 --> 00:31:55,679
that i have anything against any other

933
00:31:59,110 --> 00:31:57,519
phones i've just always had apple

934
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:59,120
products

935
00:32:02,710 --> 00:32:00,960
my all my stuff's there you know on

936
00:32:04,710 --> 00:32:02,720
between icloud and things like that so

937
00:32:06,549 --> 00:32:04,720
i've used iphones for years

938
00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:06,559
and that particular phone yes i've had

939
00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:07,200
it

940
00:32:09,430 --> 00:32:07,919
for

941
00:32:11,509 --> 00:32:09,440
many many years

942
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:11,519
because

943
00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:13,200
with what i'm doing

944
00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:14,640
i'm not going to go get a new one every

945
00:32:18,630 --> 00:32:16,640
time a screen gets cracked or something

946
00:32:19,990 --> 00:32:18,640
just because i'm i'm not going to spend

947
00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:20,000
that kind of money

948
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:22,159
when it's functioning like it there was

949
00:32:25,509 --> 00:32:23,600
nothing wrong with that phone whenever i

950
00:32:26,789 --> 00:32:25,519
was off the ranch it worked like it was

951
00:32:29,430 --> 00:32:26,799
supposed to

952
00:32:30,389 --> 00:32:29,440
it did what i needed it to

953
00:32:31,990 --> 00:32:30,399
but

954
00:32:34,149 --> 00:32:32,000
i've had that phone on the ranch for

955
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:34,159
years and like the first two years i was

956
00:32:42,389 --> 00:32:41,029
and what happened was eric had been

957
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:42,399
doing a lot of tests on all these

958
00:32:46,389 --> 00:32:43,919
different phones he's done tests on like

959
00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:46,399
100 literally 100 different phones

960
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:48,720
wow with his magnets trying to recreate

961
00:32:52,710 --> 00:32:50,640
some of the things that we've had

962
00:32:54,230 --> 00:32:52,720
and i asked him one day i was just

963
00:32:55,830 --> 00:32:54,240
curious hey do you ever have anything

964
00:32:57,830 --> 00:32:55,840
happen with an iphone 7 plus and he's

965
00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:57,840
like no you're fine that nothing ever

966
00:33:00,870 --> 00:32:59,279
happens with that

967
00:33:02,950 --> 00:33:00,880
very next day

968
00:33:05,509 --> 00:33:02,960
my phone

969
00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:05,519
um doesn't have as much damage on it as

970
00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:07,840
as it does it as you seen in season two

971
00:33:12,389 --> 00:33:10,640
but yeah you know i had like one scratch

972
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:12,399
on it or something you know it was still

973
00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:14,240
fairly new at this point

974
00:33:17,909 --> 00:33:16,080
and this is years you know this is

975
00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:17,919
probably 2018

976
00:33:22,389 --> 00:33:20,720
2018 somewhere in there but my phone

977
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:22,399
goes in and

978
00:33:26,389 --> 00:33:24,480
it's in uh my pocket

979
00:33:29,269 --> 00:33:26,399
and it starts playing music starts

980
00:33:30,789 --> 00:33:29,279
playing so it's it's it's going in and

981
00:33:32,389 --> 00:33:30,799
playing these different songs and i'm

982
00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:32,399
not saying like it's skipping to

983
00:33:35,669 --> 00:33:34,559
different songs it was going to specific

984
00:33:38,470 --> 00:33:35,679
lyrics

985
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:38,480
in all these different songs

986
00:33:42,389 --> 00:33:39,840
trying to string them it was like it's

987
00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:42,399
stringing them together and at the same

988
00:33:45,430 --> 00:33:44,159
time it was in my

989
00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:45,440
calculator

990
00:33:48,510 --> 00:33:47,440
inputting numbers and doing all this

991
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:48,520
stuff faster than

992
00:33:52,149 --> 00:33:49,919
[Music]

993
00:33:54,070 --> 00:33:52,159
like it was a automated or like it was

994
00:33:55,430 --> 00:33:54,080
flicking through things super quick yeah

995
00:33:56,950 --> 00:33:55,440
it was sitting there like doing all

996
00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:56,960
these equations doing all sorts of weird

997
00:34:02,470 --> 00:33:58,720
stuff at the exact same time it's doing

998
00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:02,480
this with my with with the music

999
00:34:06,870 --> 00:34:04,799
and i have some re some of that recorded

1000
00:34:08,550 --> 00:34:06,880
but the phone the other guy his phone

1001
00:34:10,950 --> 00:34:08,560
was in worse condition he he could

1002
00:34:12,629 --> 00:34:10,960
record it but wouldn't pick up sound so

1003
00:34:14,389 --> 00:34:12,639
it's frustrating because that kind of

1004
00:34:17,589 --> 00:34:14,399
stuff happens you know like we try and

1005
00:34:19,270 --> 00:34:17,599
record things yeah and we don't

1006
00:34:21,190 --> 00:34:19,280
we don't catch what we're hoping they

1007
00:34:22,470 --> 00:34:21,200
catch

1008
00:34:24,310 --> 00:34:22,480
can i just sorry i'm just going to jump

1009
00:34:25,990 --> 00:34:24,320
in because i just want to shout out my

1010
00:34:27,829 --> 00:34:26,000
friend dan the signal

1011
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:27,839
caleb i used to work for apple ghost

1012
00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:30,240
touch is a thing yes but in in my five

1013
00:34:34,869 --> 00:34:32,240
years there i never saw it as bad as

1014
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:34,879
your phone especially unlocking past the

1015
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:37,520
passcode that's a big deal isn't it

1016
00:34:42,550 --> 00:34:39,520
yeah so i'm happy they brought that up

1017
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:42,560
because my phone had has been doing that

1018
00:34:46,710 --> 00:34:44,800
my old phone i actually have a new one

1019
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:46,720
um i've had it for like three or four

1020
00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:50,560
weeks now um my old phone

1021
00:34:53,829 --> 00:34:51,760
would not

1022
00:34:54,470 --> 00:34:53,839
or um gosh let me

1023
00:35:23,510 --> 00:34:54,480
i

1024
00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:23,520
your phone

1025
00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:25,520
and it stops and

1026
00:35:28,390 --> 00:35:26,720
you're sitting there trying to figure it

1027
00:35:31,510 --> 00:35:28,400
out and then a couple minutes later it

1028
00:35:34,390 --> 00:35:31,520
like catches up like like the you know

1029
00:35:36,390 --> 00:35:34,400
this is not it like

1030
00:35:37,510 --> 00:35:36,400
i'm standing there with my phone in my

1031
00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:37,520
pocket

1032
00:35:41,109 --> 00:35:38,880
and it's off

1033
00:35:43,589 --> 00:35:41,119
and it starts dialing 911 it starts

1034
00:35:45,670 --> 00:35:43,599
dialing dispatch it starts dialing other

1035
00:35:48,069 --> 00:35:45,680
officers i'm an officer why is it

1036
00:35:49,109 --> 00:35:48,079
calling that

1037
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:49,119
you know

1038
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:51,119
there's things like that that

1039
00:35:55,589 --> 00:35:53,760
of all the people my phone could go call

1040
00:35:56,790 --> 00:35:55,599
or something why is it calling people

1041
00:35:59,670 --> 00:35:56,800
that

1042
00:36:01,349 --> 00:35:59,680
you know it started playing one of the

1043
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:01,359
other one of the podcasts i used to

1044
00:36:07,589 --> 00:36:05,910
you know

1045
00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:07,599
like it's tapping in up here or

1046
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:10,880
something as well yeah and and then you

1047
00:36:16,150 --> 00:36:12,480
know it's not just going past my

1048
00:36:17,349 --> 00:36:16,160
passcode on my phone it was going into

1049
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:17,359
and doing

1050
00:36:23,349 --> 00:36:19,920
passcodes into like financial apps into

1051
00:36:27,349 --> 00:36:24,829
and these are so these are all different

1052
00:36:29,349 --> 00:36:27,359
passwords were some of them like

1053
00:36:31,910 --> 00:36:29,359
two-step encryption and stuff like that

1054
00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:31,920
or some authenticators were required

1055
00:36:34,950 --> 00:36:33,040
things like that and it's just going

1056
00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:34,960
right past them going out going back in

1057
00:36:38,710 --> 00:36:36,960
it my phone actually shut itself off

1058
00:36:40,630 --> 00:36:38,720
turned itself back on and went through

1059
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:40,640
the passcode and then and you see that

1060
00:36:44,710 --> 00:36:42,560
again with the rockets

1061
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:44,720
yes it it just

1062
00:36:47,349 --> 00:36:46,240
breaks my code

1063
00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:47,359
and

1064
00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:50,720
scientists were like just because you

1065
00:36:56,550 --> 00:36:52,320
have have a crack screen doesn't mean

1066
00:36:57,510 --> 00:36:56,560
you it can just go past not like

1067
00:36:58,790 --> 00:36:57,520
you know

1068
00:37:00,310 --> 00:36:58,800
so

1069
00:37:02,069 --> 00:37:00,320
just a lot of strange things with the

1070
00:37:03,430 --> 00:37:02,079
phone and then and since i've had my new

1071
00:37:05,589 --> 00:37:03,440
one i've actually had some different

1072
00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:05,599
things happen with it not to the extent

1073
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:08,240
that we've seen with my other one yet

1074
00:37:11,030 --> 00:37:09,680
but it has

1075
00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:11,040
in the last three or four weeks already

1076
00:37:15,190 --> 00:37:12,960
done some weird stuff

1077
00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:15,200
that's incredible man and so i'm like

1078
00:37:17,670 --> 00:37:16,160
yeah

1079
00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:17,680
i'm kind of had that moment where i'm

1080
00:37:21,109 --> 00:37:19,280
like screw you screw you you're cool

1081
00:37:23,589 --> 00:37:21,119
screw you

1082
00:37:24,630 --> 00:37:23,599
with my new phone you know so yeah

1083
00:37:26,550 --> 00:37:24,640
it's just

1084
00:37:28,310 --> 00:37:26,560
i mean that was i was sorry i'm just

1085
00:37:31,270 --> 00:37:28,320
gonna say i've got smack when i saw it

1086
00:37:33,589 --> 00:37:31,280
in the series so to hear you say in a

1087
00:37:36,310 --> 00:37:33,599
bit more detail here is

1088
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:36,320
it's not normal man no and what people

1089
00:37:41,349 --> 00:37:38,160
need to understand too is

1090
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:41,359
it only ever happened on the ranch

1091
00:37:43,990 --> 00:37:42,960
until recently

1092
00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:44,000
too so

1093
00:37:48,710 --> 00:37:46,640
i i can fully say yeah there's some

1094
00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:48,720
things that recently it got to the point

1095
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:50,320
where i knew my phone was glitching and

1096
00:37:54,310 --> 00:37:52,000
it wasn't just some weird thing happened

1097
00:37:56,310 --> 00:37:54,320
on the ranch yeah but for the first year

1098
00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:56,320
and a half my phone would never do

1099
00:38:00,150 --> 00:37:57,839
anything like that when i was at home

1100
00:38:01,829 --> 00:38:00,160
when i was out doing my patrol or

1101
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:01,839
anything like that it only happened on

1102
00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:03,359
the ranch

1103
00:38:07,109 --> 00:38:04,960
and again that's something that people

1104
00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:07,119
don't see people don't know and i get

1105
00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:08,800
that like and that's fine and i i kind

1106
00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:10,320
of just chuckled to myself that some of

1107
00:38:13,270 --> 00:38:12,160
the comments and stuff and it's fine

1108
00:38:15,589 --> 00:38:13,280
like

1109
00:38:18,230 --> 00:38:15,599
you know people have their opinions and

1110
00:38:19,829 --> 00:38:18,240
it's fine you know that's why we you

1111
00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:19,839
know that i i want people to have their

1112
00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:21,680
opinions i want people to

1113
00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:24,160
yeah you know be able to think freely

1114
00:38:26,230 --> 00:38:24,960
and

1115
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:26,240
get their ideas out there you know

1116
00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:27,599
there's nothing wrong with that

1117
00:38:32,550 --> 00:38:30,480
absolutely i mean all they see is the

1118
00:38:33,750 --> 00:38:32,560
yeah the series from

1119
00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:33,760
a major

1120
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:35,520
production company or whatever but

1121
00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:38,720
you're seeing this out of this yeah i

1122
00:38:42,390 --> 00:38:40,640
mean brandon handles it seriously well

1123
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:42,400
on twitter and that because they come

1124
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:44,480
out here man they come at him seriously

1125
00:38:48,069 --> 00:38:46,400
and he does such a good job and and i

1126
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:48,079
think he's even alluded in the last week

1127
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:48,960
that

1128
00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:51,839
the skinwalker ranch website is gonna

1129
00:38:55,349 --> 00:38:54,240
start having stuff put on it more often

1130
00:38:57,510 --> 00:38:55,359
even

1131
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:57,520
possibly soon some data as well yeah

1132
00:39:01,910 --> 00:38:59,280
there that's the whole point like

1133
00:39:03,910 --> 00:39:01,920
brandon and eric are

1134
00:39:06,069 --> 00:39:03,920
wanting to get this information out

1135
00:39:07,829 --> 00:39:06,079
there and and do it in a way that

1136
00:39:10,150 --> 00:39:07,839
everybody can access it and actually and

1137
00:39:11,670 --> 00:39:10,160
see that you know we're not just

1138
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:11,680
we're not making any of this out that

1139
00:39:15,109 --> 00:39:13,200
that's my thing is

1140
00:39:19,589 --> 00:39:15,119
we're very

1141
00:39:21,190 --> 00:39:19,599
um careful about what we want out there

1142
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:21,200
not because we're not trying to hide

1143
00:39:25,990 --> 00:39:23,520
anything where we want it out there

1144
00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:26,000
yeah and we we're being careful in how

1145
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:27,760
we're presenting it because so people

1146
00:39:31,109 --> 00:39:29,520
can look at and be like okay it's it's

1147
00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:31,119
not being messed with

1148
00:39:36,230 --> 00:39:33,680
here's the data here you go guys like

1149
00:39:38,950 --> 00:39:36,240
this is what we're catching yeah um and

1150
00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:38,960
that's my thing is i can't speak to a

1151
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:40,640
bunch of the data

1152
00:39:43,030 --> 00:39:41,440
um

1153
00:39:44,790 --> 00:39:43,040
some of it's just over my head and that

1154
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:44,800
and that's fine i eric's one of my

1155
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:46,320
favorite people to talk to he's so

1156
00:39:50,310 --> 00:39:48,000
intelligent i learned so much from the

1157
00:39:52,310 --> 00:39:50,320
guy but it's cool because i i can carry

1158
00:39:54,310 --> 00:39:52,320
conversations with them

1159
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:54,320
just from my from my experiences and the

1160
00:39:58,630 --> 00:39:56,640
things that i've delved into and it's

1161
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:58,640
just and it's one of my favorite things

1162
00:40:02,150 --> 00:40:00,480
is just the people i'm able to interact

1163
00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:02,160
with while on the ranch and who i'm able

1164
00:40:06,309 --> 00:40:03,920
to meet and the conversation that we're

1165
00:40:07,510 --> 00:40:06,319
able to have and

1166
00:40:09,270 --> 00:40:07,520
you know that's that's probably one of

1167
00:40:11,349 --> 00:40:09,280
my favorite things about the ranch i

1168
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:11,359
mean that shows to me i see probably

1169
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:13,200
nearly almost daily

1170
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:16,079
you posting you travis working hard

1171
00:40:20,309 --> 00:40:18,720
working out like and i mean you must

1172
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:20,319
have some serious conversations just

1173
00:40:23,589 --> 00:40:21,680
while you're doing that with travis and

1174
00:40:25,829 --> 00:40:23,599
i mean about that is just you know to be

1175
00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:25,839
a flight to be a flyer on the wall

1176
00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:27,520
yeah travis is

1177
00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:28,880
you know again

1178
00:40:33,510 --> 00:40:31,520
yeah i love travis uh one of my favorite

1179
00:40:35,430 --> 00:40:33,520
people to talk to and hang out with and

1180
00:40:37,829 --> 00:40:35,440
he's a big crossfit guy and i love

1181
00:40:38,950 --> 00:40:37,839
staying in shape too and again it kind

1182
00:40:40,069 --> 00:40:38,960
of comes back to you every once in a

1183
00:40:41,589 --> 00:40:40,079
while i'm dealing with someone in the

1184
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:41,599
law enforcement side where i'm like and

1185
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:43,520
i'm bent over after getting someone in

1186
00:40:47,190 --> 00:40:45,119
my truck and i'm all breathing hard like

1187
00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:47,200
crap i need to work out more

1188
00:40:48,790 --> 00:40:47,920
so

1189
00:40:50,550 --> 00:40:48,800
it's

1190
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:50,560
but yeah we try and stay in shape out

1191
00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:52,480
there and it's one of those things like

1192
00:40:54,950 --> 00:40:54,000
you never know

1193
00:40:57,430 --> 00:40:54,960
at the end of the day when we're going

1194
00:40:59,190 --> 00:40:57,440
to have some kind of craziness happen on

1195
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:59,200
the ranch and the better in shape you

1196
00:41:01,190 --> 00:41:00,480
are the better you're able to deal with

1197
00:41:03,030 --> 00:41:01,200
it

1198
00:41:06,230 --> 00:41:03,040
your body's able to

1199
00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:06,240
react better to stressors and and it's

1200
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:08,400
hot out here you know we're 90 to 100

1201
00:41:12,550 --> 00:41:11,040
degree weather all the time staying yeah

1202
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:12,560
i i think is

1203
00:41:16,150 --> 00:41:14,400
you know keeping your

1204
00:41:18,470 --> 00:41:16,160
staying physically and mentally in shape

1205
00:41:20,230 --> 00:41:18,480
and very important gotta be man it's

1206
00:41:22,870 --> 00:41:20,240
gotta be just gonna give a quick shout

1207
00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:22,880
out to my bro andy and my uap discussion

1208
00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:24,560
he's got a question

1209
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:26,400
how do you f how do you fool an

1210
00:41:30,309 --> 00:41:28,240
intelligent phenomenon that may not be

1211
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:30,319
want to be captured into materializing

1212
00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:32,400
itself in order to get the proof we are

1213
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:34,960
looking for that's an intense question

1214
00:41:38,309 --> 00:41:36,720
brad you know i don't think we're trying

1215
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:38,319
to i think it's just sticking with us

1216
00:41:41,910 --> 00:41:40,560
more than anything to tell you the truth

1217
00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:41,920
um

1218
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:44,160
because the longer i'm on the ranch it

1219
00:41:47,349 --> 00:41:45,440
does feel like more we're dealing with

1220
00:41:50,069 --> 00:41:47,359
some kind of intelligence

1221
00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:50,079
and and that's

1222
00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:51,440
i yeah

1223
00:41:57,030 --> 00:41:54,480
how do we you know i think it's more we

1224
00:41:58,069 --> 00:41:57,040
we're we try to be really respectful

1225
00:41:59,829 --> 00:41:58,079
because

1226
00:42:01,589 --> 00:41:59,839
the mindset you take out onto the ranch

1227
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:01,599
is very important and and that's one of

1228
00:42:05,349 --> 00:42:03,200
the things that i'm i've always been out

1229
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:05,359
there and my goal is to you know keep

1230
00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:07,200
the ranch

1231
00:42:12,790 --> 00:42:10,240
um i guess as safe as possible and

1232
00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:12,800
defend the ranch and

1233
00:42:15,910 --> 00:42:14,560
i know it sounds weird but yeah the

1234
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:15,920
longer i'm out there the more i feel

1235
00:42:18,390 --> 00:42:17,280
like i have a relationship with the

1236
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:18,400
ranch

1237
00:42:21,910 --> 00:42:20,640
and i i there's different times where

1238
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:21,920
different things happen and it feels

1239
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:23,040
like the ranch is asking me hey when

1240
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:24,720
you're coming back

1241
00:42:30,630 --> 00:42:26,640
wow and and

1242
00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:30,640
just weird stuff you know and yeah

1243
00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:33,920
does everyone feel like that because

1244
00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:35,599
uh correct me if i'm wrong you've not

1245
00:42:39,190 --> 00:42:36,800
had any

1246
00:42:40,870 --> 00:42:39,200
serious physical things happen to you

1247
00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:40,880
like we've seen with

1248
00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:43,280
thomas winterton travis has had it i

1249
00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:44,720
think other people visiting the ranch

1250
00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:46,720
may have experienced stuff have you had

1251
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:48,720
any physical um

1252
00:42:52,470 --> 00:42:50,880
afflictions let's say

1253
00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:52,480
yeah uh it's actually been something

1254
00:42:57,430 --> 00:42:55,440
i've been toying with uh revealing uh

1255
00:42:59,190 --> 00:42:57,440
i've i've got some photos on my phone of

1256
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:59,200
my eye where when i got zapped a couple

1257
00:43:01,589 --> 00:43:00,720
years ago

1258
00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:01,599
wow

1259
00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:02,880
and

1260
00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:03,920
hi

1261
00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:04,960
yeah

1262
00:43:08,950 --> 00:43:07,280
uh basically i was up on top of the mesa

1263
00:43:10,150 --> 00:43:08,960
with another group we were doing some

1264
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:10,160
testing

1265
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:12,000
and my eye just went dry there was no

1266
00:43:14,470 --> 00:43:13,280
wind there was it was in the middle of

1267
00:43:17,349 --> 00:43:14,480
the day

1268
00:43:19,750 --> 00:43:17,359
um and it was just my i just went dry

1269
00:43:21,030 --> 00:43:19,760
like yep you know and

1270
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:21,040
i was sitting there scratching and going

1271
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:23,040
what the what the crap you know what

1272
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:25,680
what's going on here

1273
00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:27,839
the next day i wake up and it just

1274
00:43:30,790 --> 00:43:29,280
keeps getting worse keeps getting worse

1275
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:30,800
but i was like i was just kind of like

1276
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:32,880
whatever like

1277
00:43:36,470 --> 00:43:34,160
you know i

1278
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:36,480
i took my contacts out i always take my

1279
00:43:41,270 --> 00:43:38,319
contacts out every night i've been

1280
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:41,280
wearing contacts for 15 plus years i've

1281
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:44,400
never had an issue with them yeah i take

1282
00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:46,720
them out i go do a night shift for the

1283
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:48,400
sheriff's department and then i wake up

1284
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:49,520
wednesday morning it feels like

1285
00:43:54,790 --> 00:43:52,560
someone's ripping my eye out of my head

1286
00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:54,800
um the most pain i've ever been in my

1287
00:43:58,710 --> 00:43:56,960
life and i go and i

1288
00:43:59,829 --> 00:43:58,720
go to the doctor's office or to the eye

1289
00:44:02,150 --> 00:43:59,839
doctor and

1290
00:44:03,910 --> 00:44:02,160
he put some drops in my eye and put some

1291
00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:03,920
blue dye in it and hit it with this

1292
00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:06,240
light and just all this and you could

1293
00:44:10,390 --> 00:44:08,560
see the damage in a fan pattern

1294
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:10,400
going from the center of my eye outward

1295
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:12,160
except for like the very

1296
00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:14,319
bottom part of it

1297
00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:15,280
um

1298
00:44:19,510 --> 00:44:17,760
and it's just been something that

1299
00:44:20,790 --> 00:44:19,520
i've been toying with kind of showing

1300
00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:20,800
that

1301
00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:28,960
something like this happen

1302
00:44:34,069 --> 00:44:31,760
um and that's where i i i can't speak

1303
00:44:36,069 --> 00:44:34,079
for other guys no of course of course

1304
00:44:37,990 --> 00:44:36,079
yeah of course how would you say that

1305
00:44:39,670 --> 00:44:38,000
about the eye thing how would you say

1306
00:44:41,349 --> 00:44:39,680
what would you say to someone that may

1307
00:44:42,790 --> 00:44:41,359
say well you know you're on top of a

1308
00:44:44,470 --> 00:44:42,800
mesa there's dust flying around

1309
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:44,480
everywhere couldn't it just be something

1310
00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:46,240
sharp in a dust particle or something

1311
00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:47,440
like that

1312
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:48,160
so

1313
00:44:52,470 --> 00:44:50,640
the the eye doctor talked about what

1314
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:52,480
kind of damage there was on the surface

1315
00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:54,319
of my eye and he said that's what was

1316
00:44:57,750 --> 00:44:56,640
strange about it is it was like this

1317
00:45:00,390 --> 00:44:57,760
ripple

1318
00:45:02,230 --> 00:45:00,400
going straight in a fan pattern from the

1319
00:45:04,950 --> 00:45:02,240
center of my eye outward

1320
00:45:06,630 --> 00:45:04,960
and that's what you can see in the

1321
00:45:08,950 --> 00:45:06,640
in the picture is this

1322
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:08,960
triangle pattern like the very bottom of

1323
00:45:12,150 --> 00:45:10,079
my eye

1324
00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:12,160
there's no damage but everywhere else

1325
00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:14,640
you can see

1326
00:45:19,829 --> 00:45:17,040
where that damage was and it's very

1327
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:19,839
localized in the one spot and

1328
00:45:23,670 --> 00:45:22,480
the different health professionals that

1329
00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:23,680
i've talked to

1330
00:45:27,109 --> 00:45:25,520
that have connected to the ranch about

1331
00:45:28,710 --> 00:45:27,119
it

1332
00:45:31,030 --> 00:45:28,720
the best answer i got was yeah you

1333
00:45:32,710 --> 00:45:31,040
basically got hit by some kind of

1334
00:45:35,109 --> 00:45:32,720
directed energy

1335
00:45:35,990 --> 00:45:35,119
wow and we don't know what it is

1336
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:36,000
that

1337
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:37,359
is crazy

1338
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:38,880
and it's just another example of the

1339
00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:40,319
stuff we've seen on the show and that

1340
00:45:44,230 --> 00:45:42,480
and this is something i really was i'm

1341
00:45:46,150 --> 00:45:44,240
glad you said that because you know i

1342
00:45:47,030 --> 00:45:46,160
get contact and ask so many questions

1343
00:45:48,390 --> 00:45:47,040
and

1344
00:45:50,309 --> 00:45:48,400
people make statements about skin

1345
00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:50,319
walkers saying it's just a tv show they

1346
00:45:52,710 --> 00:45:51,680
hype it up and stuff like that and i'm

1347
00:45:55,589 --> 00:45:52,720
like

1348
00:45:57,430 --> 00:45:55,599
no man yeah and again people people can

1349
00:46:00,230 --> 00:45:57,440
have their opinions and

1350
00:46:01,910 --> 00:46:00,240
you know like i i get it look at what

1351
00:46:02,710 --> 00:46:01,920
television's done in the last 20 years

1352
00:46:04,069 --> 00:46:02,720
like

1353
00:46:06,390 --> 00:46:04,079
i get it you know

1354
00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:06,400
um but everything that we're showing on

1355
00:46:12,069 --> 00:46:09,440
that show is happening like we're we're

1356
00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:12,079
we're being as open as we can yeah um

1357
00:46:16,069 --> 00:46:14,160
obviously there is the television

1358
00:46:17,910 --> 00:46:16,079
section of it you know and and they're

1359
00:46:20,069 --> 00:46:17,920
telling the story and of us doing the

1360
00:46:22,309 --> 00:46:20,079
investigation and stuff and and yeah i

1361
00:46:24,309 --> 00:46:22,319
get that like there is some hollywood

1362
00:46:25,829 --> 00:46:24,319
thrown in there but when it comes to the

1363
00:46:27,910 --> 00:46:25,839
information and what we're showing in

1364
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:27,920
the the experiments that's all real yeah

1365
00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:30,240
we're not you know and

1366
00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:33,200
and you know like the alpaca thing

1367
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:35,280
the very when that came out we were all

1368
00:46:39,349 --> 00:46:37,200
on there going we know exactly what they

1369
00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:39,359
were it wasn't attacked by some strange

1370
00:46:42,069 --> 00:46:40,480
thing we don't know what it was they

1371
00:46:43,349 --> 00:46:42,079
were a bunch of freaking res dogs we

1372
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:43,359
shot them

1373
00:46:46,710 --> 00:46:45,760
like within the next week

1374
00:46:48,550 --> 00:46:46,720
you know

1375
00:46:50,309 --> 00:46:48,560
we're we're gonna be we're an open book

1376
00:46:52,069 --> 00:46:50,319
when it comes to this stuff yeah you're

1377
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:52,079
honest with everything whether it turns

1378
00:46:55,270 --> 00:46:53,760
out to be something prosaic or something

1379
00:46:57,270 --> 00:46:55,280
that you still cannot

1380
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:57,280
describe or or put a think put your

1381
00:47:01,109 --> 00:46:59,280
finger on and that leads me to one of

1382
00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:01,119
the big episodes that really stood out

1383
00:47:04,230 --> 00:47:03,119
for me in season two was the case with

1384
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:04,240
the rabbi

1385
00:47:08,950 --> 00:47:06,800
yeah um performing the ancient ritual

1386
00:47:11,990 --> 00:47:08,960
homestead two the temperature drops the

1387
00:47:14,069 --> 00:47:12,000
thermal eye let's say could you were you

1388
00:47:15,750 --> 00:47:14,079
there for that yes i i was there for the

1389
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:15,760
whole thing could you just talk us

1390
00:47:18,790 --> 00:47:17,040
through it for anyone that may not be

1391
00:47:20,790 --> 00:47:18,800
aware of what i'm talking about that was

1392
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:20,800
actually i think that was that's

1393
00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:23,200
probably in my top five of really cool

1394
00:47:27,270 --> 00:47:24,480
things that i've been a part of on the

1395
00:47:30,549 --> 00:47:27,280
ranch and craziness that we've seen yeah

1396
00:47:33,430 --> 00:47:30,559
um so rabbi ariel came out great guy i

1397
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:33,440
love ariel uh he's a i love talking to

1398
00:47:37,510 --> 00:47:35,760
the guy i wish i could talk to him more

1399
00:47:39,430 --> 00:47:37,520
um

1400
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:39,440
but what happened essentially is we were

1401
00:47:44,710 --> 00:47:42,640
able to broadcast his vocalize this

1402
00:47:46,069 --> 00:47:44,720
vocalization of his prayer over

1403
00:47:48,309 --> 00:47:46,079
homestead 2

1404
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:48,319
to see if it would cause anything

1405
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:49,440
uh this

1406
00:47:54,630 --> 00:47:53,040
ritual he was he stated that the

1407
00:47:57,349 --> 00:47:54,640
rabbis have been doing for thousands of

1408
00:47:59,589 --> 00:47:57,359
years and it specifically to get a

1409
00:48:01,750 --> 00:47:59,599
reaction from spirits

1410
00:48:04,230 --> 00:48:01,760
if i if i remember correctly

1411
00:48:07,109 --> 00:48:04,240
um and when we did this we just kind of

1412
00:48:09,030 --> 00:48:07,119
sat and waited and we

1413
00:48:10,230 --> 00:48:09,040
the the big thing was the temperature

1414
00:48:11,349 --> 00:48:10,240
changes so

1415
00:48:13,510 --> 00:48:11,359
yeah

1416
00:48:15,190 --> 00:48:13,520
i i've been in so again like in marines

1417
00:48:17,670 --> 00:48:15,200
i've been in i've

1418
00:48:20,549 --> 00:48:17,680
dealt with thermals i dealt with

1419
00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:20,559
different optics because of the m1a1

1420
00:48:23,589 --> 00:48:21,920
systems and things like that so i'm

1421
00:48:25,030 --> 00:48:23,599
familiar with them i

1422
00:48:26,470 --> 00:48:25,040
you know we deal with i deal with this

1423
00:48:28,309 --> 00:48:26,480
equipment all the time i've never seen

1424
00:48:29,510 --> 00:48:28,319
anything like this there were

1425
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:29,520
layers

1426
00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:31,359
where you could see just different

1427
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:32,880
temperature changes

1428
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:37,200
within the homestead 2 itself you you

1429
00:48:42,069 --> 00:48:39,839
could see around the homestead

1430
00:48:43,190 --> 00:48:42,079
was this constant temperature

1431
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:43,200
and

1432
00:48:47,030 --> 00:48:45,280
within the homestead itself

1433
00:48:49,990 --> 00:48:47,040
there was like a 20 degree temperature

1434
00:48:51,430 --> 00:48:50,000
drop within like three or four seconds

1435
00:48:54,309 --> 00:48:51,440
and then it became very

1436
00:48:56,309 --> 00:48:54,319
localized in in like what i called an

1437
00:48:58,069 --> 00:48:56,319
eye and i guess like i guess i could

1438
00:49:00,069 --> 00:48:58,079
have called it a portal

1439
00:49:02,470 --> 00:49:00,079
but i i don't know if it was a portal

1440
00:49:03,670 --> 00:49:02,480
you know that's our thing is yeah i'm

1441
00:49:04,870 --> 00:49:03,680
sure that's what they were wanting me

1442
00:49:07,270 --> 00:49:04,880
say but

1443
00:49:10,390 --> 00:49:07,280
um i would it looked like the isa around

1444
00:49:12,309 --> 00:49:10,400
me it had the black bear

1445
00:49:14,470 --> 00:49:12,319
you know it was in the thermals it was

1446
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:14,480
purple because it was so cold

1447
00:49:18,790 --> 00:49:16,400
and then you had travis and

1448
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:18,800
uh brian and tom go walk down there and

1449
00:49:22,870 --> 00:49:20,880
they said it was like

1450
00:49:24,870 --> 00:49:22,880
uh literally walking through

1451
00:49:27,030 --> 00:49:24,880
in into like a deep freezer and you

1452
00:49:28,470 --> 00:49:27,040
could feel it and what was cool watching

1453
00:49:31,190 --> 00:49:28,480
that on the thermals as i could see

1454
00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:31,200
those three approaching the homestead

1455
00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:32,800
and that

1456
00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:35,680
sphere or whatever it was was reacting

1457
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:37,359
to them and like moving away from them

1458
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:38,880
it was like they were chasing it into

1459
00:49:43,349 --> 00:49:41,200
the homestead yeah

1460
00:49:45,589 --> 00:49:43,359
and you could just see everything within

1461
00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:45,599
the canopy of the trees had this massive

1462
00:49:50,230 --> 00:49:47,920
temperature change and then again we did

1463
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:50,240
we tried we recreated it as best we

1464
00:49:53,109 --> 00:49:51,839
could a couple months or a couple weeks

1465
00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:53,119
later

1466
00:49:57,510 --> 00:49:55,359
and it was kind of the opposite there

1467
00:49:59,589 --> 00:49:57,520
was this massive temperature shift in

1468
00:50:02,790 --> 00:49:59,599
the other direction where it changed 15

1469
00:50:05,589 --> 00:50:02,800
to 20 degrees within a matter of seconds

1470
00:50:06,630 --> 00:50:05,599
because we recreated it

1471
00:50:07,910 --> 00:50:06,640
and

1472
00:50:10,630 --> 00:50:07,920
yeah

1473
00:50:12,390 --> 00:50:10,640
just both times that temperature change

1474
00:50:13,589 --> 00:50:12,400
and then we had different stuff

1475
00:50:14,710 --> 00:50:13,599
happening and

1476
00:50:17,990 --> 00:50:14,720
the

1477
00:50:20,470 --> 00:50:18,000
now i thought that was so cool how we

1478
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:20,480
could see that and it was reacting to us

1479
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:21,359
and then

1480
00:50:25,030 --> 00:50:23,040
uh eric when he was going back through

1481
00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:25,040
the video he did find that one spear

1482
00:50:28,069 --> 00:50:26,480
flying around

1483
00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:28,079
that had no

1484
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:30,160
temperature to it and you know we see

1485
00:50:32,470 --> 00:50:31,680
bugs all the time we know what bugs look

1486
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:32,480
like

1487
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:34,400
in the in these different videos that

1488
00:50:38,950 --> 00:50:36,079
we're catching

1489
00:50:41,589 --> 00:50:38,960
and so on on that second recreation of

1490
00:50:43,349 --> 00:50:41,599
the experiment was the rabbi there live

1491
00:50:45,190 --> 00:50:43,359
or was that a recording that was a

1492
00:50:47,030 --> 00:50:45,200
recording he he gave us permission to

1493
00:50:48,790 --> 00:50:47,040
use the recording too i wonder if that

1494
00:50:51,030 --> 00:50:48,800
had an influence the fact that the rabbi

1495
00:50:53,109 --> 00:50:51,040
was there live the first time or a

1496
00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:53,119
recording the second time good question

1497
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:54,720
it's something that we're continually

1498
00:50:59,030 --> 00:50:57,359
working on and one and trying we try to

1499
00:51:00,630 --> 00:50:59,040
recreate these as much as we can the

1500
00:51:02,470 --> 00:51:00,640
trend you know we're trying to use that

1501
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:02,480
scientific method as much as possible

1502
00:51:05,829 --> 00:51:04,319
yeah and that's one of the things that i

1503
00:51:09,589 --> 00:51:05,839
can say that eric

1504
00:51:11,829 --> 00:51:09,599
and travis are very um specific about

1505
00:51:13,829 --> 00:51:11,839
the process of doing these things but

1506
00:51:15,829 --> 00:51:13,839
then they get and then at the same time

1507
00:51:17,349 --> 00:51:15,839
how can we show this in a way that

1508
00:51:19,270 --> 00:51:17,359
people can see and understand what we're

1509
00:51:20,790 --> 00:51:19,280
doing yeah you know that that's one of

1510
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:20,800
the challenges

1511
00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:22,400
that's incredible man

1512
00:51:26,870 --> 00:51:25,520
uh shout out to my good friend ben

1513
00:51:28,710 --> 00:51:26,880
shapiro

1514
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:28,720
caleb before your time at the ranch were

1515
00:51:32,710 --> 00:51:30,960
you religious or spiritual spiritual at

1516
00:51:34,470 --> 00:51:32,720
all and if not has your opinion changed

1517
00:51:35,990 --> 00:51:34,480
at this point in your career i mean i

1518
00:51:38,230 --> 00:51:36,000
know you briefly touched upon it but

1519
00:51:38,950 --> 00:51:38,240
please please answer the question

1520
00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:38,960
so

1521
00:51:42,069 --> 00:51:40,079
um

1522
00:51:45,190 --> 00:51:42,079
i was not i guess you could say

1523
00:51:47,589 --> 00:51:45,200
religious before my dad died and that

1524
00:51:49,910 --> 00:51:47,599
was about eight nine years ago

1525
00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:49,920
um and when my dad died i kind of hit

1526
00:51:53,990 --> 00:51:51,599
that rock bottom point because i didn't

1527
00:51:55,270 --> 00:51:54,000
have a good relationship with him um and

1528
00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:55,280
it just kind of hit me hard because i

1529
00:52:00,870 --> 00:51:58,640
never i guess to work out some of those

1530
00:52:03,270 --> 00:52:00,880
issues with him you know and kind of

1531
00:52:04,950 --> 00:52:03,280
get that relationship that i guess i

1532
00:52:06,150 --> 00:52:04,960
wanted to have

1533
00:52:07,990 --> 00:52:06,160
and so

1534
00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:08,000
and that's kind of like a long story

1535
00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:09,440
there because i actually had some

1536
00:52:14,230 --> 00:52:12,000
experiences before the ranch that have

1537
00:52:16,470 --> 00:52:14,240
to me i am very spiritual now

1538
00:52:19,349 --> 00:52:16,480
i do believe in a higher power i do

1539
00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:19,359
believe that there are certain books

1540
00:52:22,470 --> 00:52:20,800
that we

1541
00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:22,480
that are correct

1542
00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:25,680
uh i i try to be careful about how i say

1543
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:27,839
this because i i know not everybody

1544
00:52:32,710 --> 00:52:29,520
views it the way i do and

1545
00:52:34,390 --> 00:52:32,720
and in today's world it's a pretty

1546
00:52:37,270 --> 00:52:34,400
touchy subject but yes i'm very

1547
00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:37,280
spiritual now uh i do follow my

1548
00:52:41,349 --> 00:52:40,079
prescribed faith i i and i keep seeing

1549
00:52:43,829 --> 00:52:41,359
things that

1550
00:52:46,309 --> 00:52:43,839
on and off the ranch that just

1551
00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:46,319
give just testimony builders if you will

1552
00:52:50,710 --> 00:52:48,880
and and keep building on that

1553
00:52:52,069 --> 00:52:50,720
um and again you know this is one of

1554
00:52:53,030 --> 00:52:52,079
those things everybody's perception is

1555
00:52:55,349 --> 00:52:53,040
different

1556
00:52:57,670 --> 00:52:55,359
yeah um i i can have an experience and

1557
00:52:59,589 --> 00:52:57,680
see it one way and somebody else sees it

1558
00:53:00,790 --> 00:52:59,599
and complete and sees something else you

1559
00:53:01,990 --> 00:53:00,800
know

1560
00:53:04,630 --> 00:53:02,000
um

1561
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:04,640
and i don't i don't like trying to tell

1562
00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:06,240
someone that they're wrong or they're

1563
00:53:10,549 --> 00:53:08,400
right i just enjoy having a conversation

1564
00:53:12,470 --> 00:53:10,559
and trying to get better you know be

1565
00:53:13,910 --> 00:53:12,480
better up for it you know

1566
00:53:15,510 --> 00:53:13,920
um but yeah i've had a lot of

1567
00:53:16,230 --> 00:53:15,520
experiences on the ranch that have made

1568
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:16,240
me

1569
00:53:22,630 --> 00:53:21,030
i guess grow that faith a little bit

1570
00:53:23,829 --> 00:53:22,640
more that there is something on the

1571
00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:23,839
other side

1572
00:53:28,470 --> 00:53:26,400
uh you know we have one thing happen on

1573
00:53:29,670 --> 00:53:28,480
the ranch that is more easily explained

1574
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:29,680
as say

1575
00:53:32,950 --> 00:53:31,680
a scientific or

1576
00:53:34,390 --> 00:53:32,960
sci-fi

1577
00:53:36,069 --> 00:53:34,400
experience if you will and then on the

1578
00:53:38,470 --> 00:53:36,079
other hand we have another one that that

1579
00:53:41,510 --> 00:53:38,480
happens that is more spiritual in nature

1580
00:53:43,990 --> 00:53:41,520
yeah and i tell people that we're

1581
00:53:45,990 --> 00:53:44,000
science and religion actually go like

1582
00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:46,000
this in my mind

1583
00:53:49,510 --> 00:53:47,680
and so you've yeah

1584
00:53:51,990 --> 00:53:49,520
that that's actually

1585
00:53:55,030 --> 00:53:52,000
becoming more in effect in the whole of

1586
00:53:56,950 --> 00:53:55,040
the uap subject in in general recently

1587
00:53:58,309 --> 00:53:56,960
you know that crossover between hard

1588
00:53:59,910 --> 00:53:58,319
science and

1589
00:54:01,589 --> 00:53:59,920
the phenomena that this thing that we

1590
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:01,599
cannot work out yet that we cannot

1591
00:54:06,150 --> 00:54:04,000
equate to a specific part of science or

1592
00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:06,160
or anything and it's very spiritual it's

1593
00:54:10,069 --> 00:54:07,920
very consciousness-based and things and

1594
00:54:11,589 --> 00:54:10,079
this is like uh for instance one of my

1595
00:54:13,190 --> 00:54:11,599
favorite congress this has kind of been

1596
00:54:14,870 --> 00:54:13,200
an ongoing conversation that i've been

1597
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:14,880
having with eric the last couple weeks

1598
00:54:16,790 --> 00:54:15,760
is

1599
00:54:18,150 --> 00:54:16,800
um

1600
00:54:19,750 --> 00:54:18,160
again like he's one of my favorite

1601
00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:19,760
people to talk to because of this reason

1602
00:54:24,630 --> 00:54:22,559
he's like people don't realize how like

1603
00:54:26,950 --> 00:54:24,640
i'll put eric up against anybody

1604
00:54:29,349 --> 00:54:26,960
and i'll put all my money on him because

1605
00:54:31,910 --> 00:54:29,359
he the way his mind works and the things

1606
00:54:33,270 --> 00:54:31,920
that he's delved into and like this guy

1607
00:54:36,390 --> 00:54:33,280
he is spending

1608
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:36,400
24 hours getting one one thing fixed and

1609
00:54:39,349 --> 00:54:37,440
then he's

1610
00:54:43,030 --> 00:54:39,359
he's not sleeping he's he's going he

1611
00:54:44,870 --> 00:54:43,040
just goes at it like i wow you know

1612
00:54:46,950 --> 00:54:44,880
and he's always been like this and

1613
00:54:48,549 --> 00:54:46,960
things that he's delved into and

1614
00:54:51,030 --> 00:54:48,559
though the conversation that we've been

1615
00:54:55,270 --> 00:54:51,040
having is like natural law

1616
00:54:56,470 --> 00:54:55,280
and in regards to how like say

1617
00:54:59,430 --> 00:54:56,480
um

1618
00:55:02,069 --> 00:54:59,440
the world works and things like that so

1619
00:55:04,230 --> 00:55:02,079
and that what is natural law and then

1620
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:04,240
and one of the things with say the

1621
00:55:08,710 --> 00:55:06,960
universe is math is the science is the

1622
00:55:10,950 --> 00:55:08,720
it's like the language of science you

1623
00:55:12,549 --> 00:55:10,960
know everything's coded

1624
00:55:14,150 --> 00:55:12,559
essentially you know

1625
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:14,160
and how does that play in the natural

1626
00:55:19,270 --> 00:55:17,200
law how does that work and it's just one

1627
00:55:21,750 --> 00:55:19,280
of those things that to me it's just

1628
00:55:23,430 --> 00:55:21,760
keeps adding on to each other and i i

1629
00:55:25,349 --> 00:55:23,440
kind of chuckle and

1630
00:55:26,470 --> 00:55:25,359
at the people who are so like oh no

1631
00:55:29,589 --> 00:55:26,480
there's no

1632
00:55:31,910 --> 00:55:29,599
no

1633
00:55:33,910 --> 00:55:31,920
our science is all blah blah blah

1634
00:55:34,870 --> 00:55:33,920
they're going hand in hand you know of

1635
00:55:36,470 --> 00:55:34,880
course

1636
00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:36,480
and i kind of chuckle because in history

1637
00:55:39,349 --> 00:55:37,920
who were your first real scientists they

1638
00:55:41,990 --> 00:55:39,359
were all a bunch of priests trying to

1639
00:55:43,109 --> 00:55:42,000
figure out how god did it

1640
00:55:44,390 --> 00:55:43,119
you know

1641
00:55:46,549 --> 00:55:44,400
absolutely

1642
00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:46,559
and people seem to forget like darwin

1643
00:55:50,789 --> 00:55:48,480
after he came out with his stuff he was

1644
00:55:52,470 --> 00:55:50,799
like uh i may have been wrong

1645
00:55:53,990 --> 00:55:52,480
we forget that conversation you know

1646
00:55:55,589 --> 00:55:54,000
like

1647
00:55:58,309 --> 00:55:55,599
people get so focused on one thing and

1648
00:56:00,390 --> 00:55:58,319
they go down this rabbit hole and they

1649
00:56:02,230 --> 00:56:00,400
just discount everything else like the

1650
00:56:04,870 --> 00:56:02,240
closed-mindedness doesn't serve to help

1651
00:56:06,710 --> 00:56:04,880
anybody you know yeah uh and that's the

1652
00:56:08,549 --> 00:56:06,720
thing is like i'm more than

1653
00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:08,559
i'm willing to say that i might be wrong

1654
00:56:12,470 --> 00:56:10,400
in something that i've experienced out

1655
00:56:13,270 --> 00:56:12,480
here and that's one of the scary things

1656
00:56:14,710 --> 00:56:13,280
is

1657
00:56:15,990 --> 00:56:14,720
we have things happen and we're going

1658
00:56:17,589 --> 00:56:16,000
okay am i

1659
00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:17,599
being messed with

1660
00:56:21,750 --> 00:56:18,640
because

1661
00:56:23,270 --> 00:56:21,760
travis has shown us that like and eric

1662
00:56:24,950 --> 00:56:23,280
and travis are fully aware that there's

1663
00:56:26,630 --> 00:56:24,960
magnetic things that can mess with the

1664
00:56:28,710 --> 00:56:26,640
human mind and if you think you're

1665
00:56:30,069 --> 00:56:28,720
seeing something but you're not or you

1666
00:56:31,829 --> 00:56:30,079
think make you think you're smelling

1667
00:56:33,750 --> 00:56:31,839
something but it's not there that's why

1668
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:33,760
we have some of the stuff that we were

1669
00:56:38,150 --> 00:56:36,000
carrying like those little yellow meters

1670
00:56:40,390 --> 00:56:38,160
yep um we carry those because those are

1671
00:56:44,630 --> 00:56:40,400
h2s meters the oil field carries those

1672
00:56:46,470 --> 00:56:44,640
because there's h2s h2s gas out here

1673
00:56:49,030 --> 00:56:46,480
and one of the symptoms that we've heard

1674
00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:49,040
of on the ranch is people smelling weird

1675
00:56:51,990 --> 00:56:51,040
weird things and i've experienced this

1676
00:56:53,589 --> 00:56:52,000
with

1677
00:56:55,030 --> 00:56:53,599
eric and travis and tom we were all

1678
00:56:57,750 --> 00:56:55,040
sitting there and three of us could

1679
00:56:59,670 --> 00:56:57,760
smell it but one of us couldn't

1680
00:57:00,950 --> 00:56:59,680
and then and our meter's not going off

1681
00:57:02,470 --> 00:57:00,960
so

1682
00:57:03,990 --> 00:57:02,480
individual meters aren't going off

1683
00:57:05,910 --> 00:57:04,000
because you can't smell it or someone

1684
00:57:08,069 --> 00:57:05,920
can't smell it well and that's the thing

1685
00:57:10,230 --> 00:57:08,079
is if the gas isn't there

1686
00:57:11,670 --> 00:57:10,240
then why are we smelling it and that's

1687
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:11,680
it here

1688
00:57:15,190 --> 00:57:13,920
yeah yeah that that's the whole the it's

1689
00:57:17,190 --> 00:57:15,200
the whole thing it's messing with

1690
00:57:18,630 --> 00:57:17,200
there's magnetic forces that can mess

1691
00:57:20,630 --> 00:57:18,640
with people's minds and this is one of

1692
00:57:22,230 --> 00:57:20,640
the things like if you want more

1693
00:57:24,309 --> 00:57:22,240
in-depth on that you'll have to ask eric

1694
00:57:25,750 --> 00:57:24,319
and travis you know i'm just

1695
00:57:27,670 --> 00:57:25,760
they're they're dumbing it down for me

1696
00:57:29,670 --> 00:57:27,680
i'm not listening caleb that's a perfect

1697
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:29,680
opportunity for to say you're gonna have

1698
00:57:33,030 --> 00:57:30,960
to come back and you're gonna have to

1699
00:57:34,789 --> 00:57:33,040
bring those guys with you because i know

1700
00:57:38,150 --> 00:57:34,799
all right that conversation i've never

1701
00:57:41,109 --> 00:57:38,160
seen anybody anybody have anywhere so

1702
00:57:42,630 --> 00:57:41,119
please make it happen my man

1703
00:57:43,990 --> 00:57:42,640
and that's the thing is we're we're hope

1704
00:57:45,750 --> 00:57:44,000
we're wanting to get this out here we

1705
00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:45,760
love having these conversations because

1706
00:57:48,950 --> 00:57:47,760
yeah why are we experiencing something

1707
00:57:50,230 --> 00:57:48,960
like we are

1708
00:57:52,069 --> 00:57:50,240
um

1709
00:57:53,510 --> 00:57:52,079
and yeah and that's the thing is when

1710
00:57:54,950 --> 00:57:53,520
you start getting into some of the stuff

1711
00:57:56,870 --> 00:57:54,960
that we've talked about it gets pretty

1712
00:57:58,789 --> 00:57:56,880
scary and that's where we try to be

1713
00:58:00,230 --> 00:57:58,799
careful about what we're talking about

1714
00:58:01,270 --> 00:58:00,240
but yeah like that's why we're carrying

1715
00:58:03,270 --> 00:58:01,280
some of the equipment that we're

1716
00:58:05,910 --> 00:58:03,280
carrying because it's an active

1717
00:58:07,349 --> 00:58:05,920
experiment it's an active

1718
00:58:08,309 --> 00:58:07,359
thing that we're looking for you know so

1719
00:58:11,750 --> 00:58:08,319
yeah that's something that we've

1720
00:58:13,750 --> 00:58:11,760
experienced and i i and that's

1721
00:58:16,390 --> 00:58:13,760
you know that that's the police to me is

1722
00:58:18,470 --> 00:58:16,400
here it is here's the evidence like this

1723
00:58:21,510 --> 00:58:18,480
is what i got you know i i don't know if

1724
00:58:23,589 --> 00:58:21,520
you gotta miss if you got the better

1725
00:58:25,990 --> 00:58:23,599
still ongoing there's so much still for

1726
00:58:28,950 --> 00:58:26,000
you guys to learn research

1727
00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:28,960
collect more data for and so yeah we i

1728
00:58:31,990 --> 00:58:30,240
don't think anyone should really be

1729
00:58:34,230 --> 00:58:32,000
expecting you to give us any answers yet

1730
00:58:35,589 --> 00:58:34,240
and you know that's absolutely fine you

1731
00:58:37,430 --> 00:58:35,599
know

1732
00:58:39,270 --> 00:58:37,440
half the time our answer is just another

1733
00:58:40,950 --> 00:58:39,280
question another question you know we're

1734
00:58:42,470 --> 00:58:40,960
another 10 questions another thing

1735
00:58:44,710 --> 00:58:42,480
that's the nature of the beast i'm

1736
00:58:47,190 --> 00:58:44,720
afraid and i think people really do need

1737
00:58:48,710 --> 00:58:47,200
to to appreciate that and

1738
00:58:50,549 --> 00:58:48,720
i'm just going to read this question out

1739
00:58:52,390 --> 00:58:50,559
to andy where he's probably gone by now

1740
00:58:53,829 --> 00:58:52,400
sorry andy but do you believe that the

1741
00:58:55,030 --> 00:58:53,839
phenomenon occurring at the ranch has

1742
00:58:57,589 --> 00:58:55,040
anything to do with a possible

1743
00:58:58,710 --> 00:58:57,599
underground base or facility

1744
00:58:59,510 --> 00:58:58,720
um

1745
00:59:02,950 --> 00:58:59,520
i

1746
00:59:04,710 --> 00:59:02,960
anomaly because we've heard about

1747
00:59:07,349 --> 00:59:04,720
possible underground

1748
00:59:08,789 --> 00:59:07,359
something haven't we

1749
00:59:11,190 --> 00:59:08,799
i've you know i've heard some different

1750
00:59:12,950 --> 00:59:11,200
stories we've inherited this narrative

1751
00:59:14,230 --> 00:59:12,960
uh that there might that some people

1752
00:59:17,030 --> 00:59:14,240
have experienced things flying into the

1753
00:59:19,750 --> 00:59:17,040
mesa or coming out of the mesa

1754
00:59:21,510 --> 00:59:19,760
i i don't know um

1755
00:59:24,470 --> 00:59:21,520
it could be crazy

1756
00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:24,480
yeah who's to say there isn't you know

1757
00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:26,400
um

1758
00:59:30,789 --> 00:59:28,240
how do you know

1759
00:59:32,549 --> 00:59:30,799
yes one of the things that i've

1760
00:59:33,829 --> 00:59:32,559
one of my answers to something like this

1761
00:59:35,109 --> 00:59:33,839
is like we don't even know what happened

1762
00:59:35,990 --> 00:59:35,119
a year ago

1763
00:59:38,150 --> 00:59:36,000
yeah

1764
00:59:39,750 --> 00:59:38,160
in say regards to covid

1765
00:59:40,950 --> 00:59:39,760
how can you tell me what happened 2000

1766
00:59:42,870 --> 00:59:40,960
years ago how can you tell me what's

1767
00:59:44,710 --> 00:59:42,880
under the ranch

1768
00:59:46,630 --> 00:59:44,720
like we don't know

1769
00:59:48,470 --> 00:59:46,640
uh and and it's hard to

1770
00:59:50,950 --> 00:59:48,480
nail that down i

1771
00:59:52,470 --> 00:59:50,960
personally i think that it's more

1772
00:59:53,990 --> 00:59:52,480
spiritual

1773
00:59:55,510 --> 00:59:54,000
uh again we're dealing with some kind of

1774
00:59:56,630 --> 00:59:55,520
intelligence i don't think i i

1775
00:59:58,470 --> 00:59:56,640
personally don't think that there's a

1776
00:59:59,910 --> 00:59:58,480
base under under there

1777
01:00:01,190 --> 00:59:59,920
i'm open to there being something over

1778
01:00:03,430 --> 01:00:01,200
there i don't know

1779
01:00:05,430 --> 01:00:03,440
but yeah personally i i

1780
01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:05,440
i don't think there is but that's that's

1781
01:00:10,309 --> 01:00:07,920
just me absolutely fine man but listen

1782
01:00:11,910 --> 01:00:10,319
caleb we've just hit the hour mark um i

1783
01:00:14,630 --> 01:00:11,920
feel like we need to do this again

1784
01:00:16,789 --> 01:00:14,640
sometime um i'd love it if you could

1785
01:00:18,870 --> 01:00:16,799
come back on maybe in a

1786
01:00:20,069 --> 01:00:18,880
month or two maybe bring some friends

1787
01:00:22,710 --> 01:00:20,079
and we can have a little panel a

1788
01:00:23,910 --> 01:00:22,720
skinwalker panel discussion

1789
01:00:26,150 --> 01:00:23,920
um

1790
01:00:28,309 --> 01:00:26,160
yeah that it's been incredible man i

1791
01:00:29,990 --> 01:00:28,319
cannot thank you enough yeah

1792
01:00:31,510 --> 01:00:30,000
and then what's crazy is i feel like i'm

1793
01:00:33,270 --> 01:00:31,520
just barely giving you like the tip of

1794
01:00:35,270 --> 01:00:33,280
the iceberg was with some of the stuff

1795
01:00:37,190 --> 01:00:35,280
and you know with season two and even

1796
01:00:38,950 --> 01:00:37,200
what happened with season one and what

1797
01:00:41,190 --> 01:00:38,960
happened before that what you know

1798
01:00:42,630 --> 01:00:41,200
there's so much there and it's it's it's

1799
01:00:44,390 --> 01:00:42,640
definitely fun being a part of it and

1800
01:00:46,069 --> 01:00:44,400
i'm thankful that you were reached out

1801
01:00:48,069 --> 01:00:46,079
to me and that we were able to do this

1802
01:00:50,150 --> 01:00:48,079
well i tell you what let's not even

1803
01:00:52,390 --> 01:00:50,160
think about bringing anyone else on

1804
01:00:53,990 --> 01:00:52,400
let's do a caleb and vinnie part two in

1805
01:00:57,030 --> 01:00:54,000
like a week or two if that's something

1806
01:00:59,190 --> 01:00:57,040
you'd be up for um let me uh

1807
01:01:01,670 --> 01:00:59,200
as you know we kind of had some trouble

1808
01:01:03,349 --> 01:01:01,680
uh trouble meeting up uh this the first

1809
01:01:05,270 --> 01:01:03,359
time that we were trying to do this so

1810
01:01:06,789 --> 01:01:05,280
i'll have to we'll have to communicate

1811
01:01:08,789 --> 01:01:06,799
and we'll see if we'll what we can do

1812
01:01:11,430 --> 01:01:08,799
there so i'll fully understand my man

1813
01:01:13,270 --> 01:01:11,440
completely so listen thank you so much

1814
01:01:16,069 --> 01:01:13,280
for joining me tonight it's been great

1815
01:01:18,789 --> 01:01:16,079
and eye-opening and exactly what i hoped

1816
01:01:20,870 --> 01:01:18,799
it would be so thank you so much man um

1817
01:01:23,190 --> 01:01:20,880
you enjoy the rest of your day and oh

1818
01:01:25,510 --> 01:01:23,200
you too thank you man and thank you to

1819
01:01:27,270 --> 01:01:25,520
the chat for being here as well

1820
01:01:29,829 --> 01:01:27,280
it's been incredible so yeah till the

1821
01:01:31,589 --> 01:01:29,839
next time guys caleb enjoy the rest of

1822
01:01:33,829 --> 01:01:31,599
your day yeah thanks vinnie staying